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Gobee
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Upward Bound Col. 1:19-20 Grace By Faith
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Feb 23, 2010 - 08:51am PT
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1 Corinthians 15:3-4, For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Feb 23, 2010 - 10:12am PT
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LIFE! DO YOU HEAR ME? GIVE MY CREATION... LIFE!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Feb 23, 2010 - 11:48am PT
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From the Grand Bible (as opposed to the Holy Bible):
"Life is to be managed, not cured." (Cascott 11:3)
Hadrian: Brick by brick.
Ghandi: Be the change you seek in the world.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Feb 23, 2010 - 01:49pm PT
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"and you will be hated by all because of My name." Luke 21:17.
"Those who hate the Lord...and their time of punishment would be forever!" Psalm 81:15.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 23, 2010 - 01:56pm PT
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What can I say?
I am speechless.
What is this off topic stuff that keeps creeping in?
I will now get vicious. Wanda, you have counted the number of times the bell tolled, have you not?
Whinnying sounds here.
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Gobee
Trad climber
Upward Bound Col. 1:19-20 Grace By Faith
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Feb 24, 2010 - 09:09am PT
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Ephesians 2:8-10, For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Feb 24, 2010 - 10:37am PT
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From the Grand Bible (as opposed to the Holy Bible), Book of Koberg:
Chapter 3: 1-5
1. Don't believe everything you hear or read.
2. Without having been there before, you may have to feel your way slowly.
3. Having been there before can stop you from finding new ways to get there.
4. The solution of one problem can be related to other kinds of problems.
5. Just as the conscious-thinking process of the brain can work for you, so can the subconscious or "chance" processes.
What to notice: (a) how many of these problem solving strategies "carry over" to climbing; (b) how little "problem solving strategies" is covered in ol' time religious scripture (e.g., Koran, Torah, Holy Bible) though its put forth as guidance for life.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Feb 24, 2010 - 02:59pm PT
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http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t024.html
The words were "Iesvs Nazarenvs Rex Ivdaeorvm." Latin uses “I” instead of the English “J”, and “V” instead of “U” (i.e., Jesus Nazarenus Rex Judaeorum). The English translation is "Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews."
Obviosly INRI is a accronym of the original words.
These words nailed above Jesus's head on the cross fulfilled prophecy from the Old Testament, and obviously neither Jesus, nor his followers had anything to do with it. Pontius Pilate fulfilled scripture by writing these words and having them nailed/placed above Jesus's head.
The Lord GOD works in mysterious ways and knows all. Even those who don't love him fulfill destinies. He knows what we are going to do before we do it, yet he gives us all a chance to come back to him, over, and over, and over again throughout our lives. He loves those who don't love him, nor acknowledge him and he provides what we all need to live. He makes it rain on the just and the unjust.
His love and patience with us is beyond comprehension, it is supernatural. It is beyond human ability to imagine. Many of us would have probably pulled the plug already on all of creation if we had the authority and ability to do so.
GOD is not like that, he is perfect.
It is high time we show him the same love and respect.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Feb 24, 2010 - 03:07pm PT
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Auggh, Klimmer, say it ain't true!
You've written some insightful stuff on other threads, a couple I've read. So I'm shocked now- You're a traditional fundamentalist Christian?!! believing all that bronze age narrative if not superstition?
What is your grasp of history? Of the origin of the planet? Of the origin of the species? Auggh!
Adapt.
Update your brain software.
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
All Over.
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Feb 24, 2010 - 03:09pm PT
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I usually stay away from this type of stuff like I stay away from church, but I couldn't resist.
'But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just.'
Was Jesus a socialist?
I hope so.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Feb 24, 2010 - 10:52pm PT
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Auggh, Klimmer, say it ain't true!
You've written some insightful stuff on other threads, a couple I've read. So I'm shocked now- You're a traditional fundamentalist Christian?!! believing all that bronze age narrative if not superstition?
What is your grasp of history? Of the origin of the planet? Of the origin of the species? Auggh!
Adapt.
Update your brain software.
Don't lump and classify all Christians into the Fundamentalist camp.
I beleive in GOD. I believe in Jesus Christ as my personal savior. I believe in the word of GOD. It takes an incredible in depth study to seperate fact from parable from allegory from historical story in the Bible. You even have to consider the truths now flowing forth from Bible Code. You have to "study to show yourself approved." I'm a Theistic Evolutionist. The Earth is about 4.56 Billion years old, our Sun is nearer to 5 Billion years, and the Universe is about 13.7 Billion years in age, as far as we now know. There is a very diverse and continual spectrum on the faith wheel in Christendom. I do not know it all. I'm a student of GOD, a disciple of Christ, and of student of science. I suppose I always will be. I doubt I ever will know it all. Someday I hope to ask GOD many outstanding questions. I hope he will have the patience to answer them all, but we'll have eternity to sort it all out. I am looking forward to those talks someday.
But I have this life now to live with my wife, my family, and my friends. I would like to make this life as rich and as long as possible and with a great deal of adventure, science, and getting to know and be more like Christ. I sure got a long way to go.
I teach HS Physics and Earth Science and I believe in GOD. I do science and have faith just like so many before me: Aristotle, Copernicus, Tycho Brahe, Kepler, Galileo, and Newton just to name a few. Just as long as I keep the Church and State seperate, it will be OK. Science is about Cosmic Order. Faith is about Cosmic Purpose. Both answer very important questions and are both compatible, just different tools to answer different questions.
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Gobee
Trad climber
Upward Bound Col. 1:19-20 Grace By Faith
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Feb 24, 2010 - 11:10pm PT
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The Sin of Partiality
James 2:1-13, My brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory. 2 For if a man wearing a gold ring and fine clothing comes into your assembly, and a poor man in shabby clothing also comes in, 3 and if you pay attention to the one who wears the fine clothing and say, “You sit here in a good place,” while you say to the poor man, “You stand over there,” or, “Sit down at my feet,” 4 have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? 5 Listen, my beloved brothers, has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which he has promised to those who love him? 6 But you have dishonored the poor man. Are not the rich the ones who oppress you, and the ones who drag you into court? 7 Are they not the ones who blaspheme the honorable name by which you were called?
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. 11 For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty. 13 For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Feb 24, 2010 - 11:15pm PT
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From the Grand Bible (as opposed to the Holy Bible), Book of Koberg:
Problem Solving
Chapter 3: 6-10
6. Find resolution through analysis. Don't be mislead by initially fuzzy problem statements.
7. Solve problems more thoroughly by determining to see inside them rather than merely looking at their surface.
8. When you relate things to one another, you will find connections between them.
9. Use your imagination to set things free. Use it to turn things upside down, to take them out of their context for a different point of view.
10. Use your imagination to open the door to many new images and to an increased image-vocabulary.
What to notice: (a) Many of these problem solving strategies "carry over" to climbing; (b) Few "problem solving strategies" are mentioned let alone emphasized in Abrahamic scriptures though these scriptures are put forth as guidance for life.
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Gobee
Trad climber
Upward Bound Col. 1:19-20 Grace By Faith
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Feb 25, 2010 - 08:22am PT
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Luke 3:41-50, “A certain moneylender had two debtors. One owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. 42 When they could not pay, he cancelled the debt of both. Now which of them will love him more?” 43 Simon answered, “The one, I suppose, for whom he cancelled the larger debt.” And he said to him, “You have judged rightly.” 44 Then turning toward the woman he said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave me no water for my feet, but she has wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45 You gave me no kiss, but from the time I came in she has not ceased to kiss my feet. 46 You did not anoint my head with oil, but she has anointed my feet with ointment. 47 Therefore I tell you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven—for she loved much. But he who is forgiven little, loves little.” 48 And he said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” 49 Then those who were at table with him began to say among themselves, “Who is this, who even forgives sins?” 50 And he said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
James 3:17-18, But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere. 18 And a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Feb 25, 2010 - 10:12am PT
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From the Grand Bible (as opposed to the Holy Bible), Book of Koberg:
Chapter 3: 11-15
11. There are more ways than one to get to the same place.
12. If it doesn't work, you may have missed something. Try it again.
13. Get lots of facts. Try to see that the problem is stated realistically.
14. Success is the result of either conscious intent or chance. Neither is 100% dependable. We can only do our best.
15. Learning by doing is often faster (but not necessarily easier) than learning vicariously through others.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Feb 25, 2010 - 11:40am PT
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Klimmer wrote-
I do science and have faith just like so many before me: Aristotle, Copernicus, Tycho Brahe, Kepler, Galileo, and Newton just to name a few. Just as long as I keep the Church and State seperate, it will be OK. Science is about Cosmic Order. Faith is about Cosmic Purpose. Both answer very important questions and are both compatible, just different tools to answer different questions.
It's lame to cite the ol' timers "Aristotle, Copernicus, Tycho Brahe, Kepler, Galileo, and Newton." Look at the ages they lived in. Modern science was yet to be born. Under those circumstances (of underdevelopment) most of us would've had some degree of "supernaturalist" faith.
Science and belief are compatible. I have a science education. And I have belief (i.e., mental holdings). I have belief in and out of science. And not one scintilla is "supernaturalist" belief.
Same with faith. I have faith (i.e., trust). I have faith in and out of science. And not one scintilla is "supernaturalist" faith.
You're deluding yourself (and perhaps those you address as a teacher) if you think any "supernaturalist" belief or "supernaturalist" faith or "supernaturalist" doctrine is compatible with science, science education or the Scientific Story. This is the line of appeasers, ideologues or partisans that's repeated- auggh- like a broken record.
I have a "belief discipline" practice. It deals with "what is" in terms of facts (like science), "what matters" (to the heart) and "what works" in terms of life strategies.
Ghandi: Be the change you seek in the world.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Feb 25, 2010 - 12:42pm PT
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HFCS,
You quoted and said . . .
Klimmer wrote-
I do science and have faith just like so many before me: Aristotle, Copernicus, Tycho Brahe, Kepler, Galileo, and Newton just to name a few. Just as long as I keep the Church and State seperate, it will be OK. Science is about Cosmic Order. Faith is about Cosmic Purpose. Both answer very important questions and are both compatible, just different tools to answer different questions.
It's lame to cite the ol' timers "Aristotle, Copernicus, Tycho Brahe, Kepler, Galileo, and Newton." Look at the ages they lived in. Modern science was yet to be born. Under those circumstances (of underdevelopment) most of us would've had some degree of "supernaturalist" faith.
Science and belief are compatible. I have a science education. And I have belief (i.e., mental holdings). I have belief in and out of science. And not one scintilla is "supernaturalist" belief.
Same with faith. I have faith (i.e., trust). I have faith in and out of science. And not one scintilla is "supernaturalist" faith.
You're deluding yourself (and perhaps those you address as a teacher) if you think any "supernaturalist" belief or "supernaturalist" faith or "supernaturalist" doctrine is compatible with science, science education or the Scientific Story. This is the line of appeasers, ideologues or partisans that's repeated- auggh- like a broken record.
I have a "belief discipline" practice. It deals with "what is" in terms of facts (like science), "what matters" (to the heart) and "what works" in terms of life strategies.
Ghandi: Be the change you seek in the world.
So you would throw all the Fathers of Modern Science into the dust bin? There are many, many more whom I could also list who are men of faith and men of science. Those are just some of the Fathers of modern science I listed.
Answer me just this one question:
Can Science answer all questions?
HFCS, now if you were a teacher of Science in public school, you would know that you have to keep Church and State seperate. That means you can not bring faith and religion into the classroom. You can talk about their differences and the fact that they answer different questions though. Also you can not belittle or talk down to any student regarding their faiths and their religions. If you do, you are not abidding by seperation of Church and State and will be hit with a lawsuit by a savvy student and their parents. Seperation of Church and State cuts both ways.
We talk about the differences and the fact that faith and science answer different questions. Science answers How? questions. Faith and Religion answer Why? questions. Paul Hewitt, the author of Conceptual Physics, which many consider the bible of conceptual physics spells this out very, very well. I totally agree with his point of view on this matter. Great text book.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Feb 25, 2010 - 02:22pm PT
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Reframe it. Geez.
(1) Re-read the post. You didn't read me say- throw those guys in the dust bin. Pretty lame response. Re-read it in context.
(2) Klimmer wrote-
Can Science answer all questions?
Of course science can't answer all questions. Who says that? I've been in science and engineering 40 years and I haven't heard anyone ever say that.
Science is an investigational tool. That's all it is. An investigational tool for figuring out (a) how the world works and (b) how life works in terms of "what is", in terms of facts.
Look beyond Middle East "traditional" belief (traditional faith) discipline models. That's what modernity's transitioning to this century. There are "practices" of living (I call them belief discipline practices) that cover "what matters" and "what works" in addition to "what is" that don't depend on any ol time supernaturalist doctrines or supernaturalist belief at all.
Insofar as you're a teacher, you ought to get with it. Adapt. Upgrade. Maybe take some courses in the life sciences, too, with the goal to expand your "science span." Insofar as you have a "science span" you're enabled to see the consistency of the Scientific Story and how inconsistent the ancient Abrahamic narrative (featured in Judaism, Christianity and Islam) is with it.
Good luck.
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Gobee
Trad climber
Upward Bound Col. 1:19-20 Grace By Faith
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Feb 26, 2010 - 08:45am PT
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Joel 2:13, Return to the Lord your God,
for he is gracious and merciful,
slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love;
and he relents over disaster.
Matthew 5:6, Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Feb 26, 2010 - 09:37am PT
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I would prefer to see this thread return to . . . Favorite Bible Passages? That is what this whole thread is supposed to be about. And I'm pretty sure the OP meant the Holy Bible, not any other religious text. But this is the SuperTaco and many wonderful and often times weird things happen here so who am I to complain?
But I'm pretty sure this is gonna be my last response to HFCS on this . . .
However, I reserve the right to add links and resources to this post as I find the time . . .
Reframe it. Geez.
(1) Re-read the post. You didn't read me say- throw those guys in the dust bin. Pretty lame response. Re-read it in context.
My response: Didn't say you did say those words. Those are my words.
Your attitude towards the founding Fathers of Modern Science is pretty disrespectful. Your arguement is a cop-out. Copernicus, Keplar, Galileo, and Newton all had devout faith, yet they were also all brave enough to challenge the innacurate faith dogmas of their day, whether they wrote it, argued it publically, or believed it secretly, and then wrote it. To suggest they believed that only because that is what everyone else believed is a very wrong arguement, and a serious cop-out. How can you say that when they challenged incorrect dogmas? Doesn't mean they didn't believe in GOD. They had problems with the walls erected by men. You can not seperate the person and what they believed and had faith in, from their ability to do good science. Perhaps it came from the same source of inspiration? That is like saying that today, men and women doing great science whom are also devout Christians, do so because everyone else is. No, we know that is not true. No, it takes guts to buck the established system. Perhaps it allows insights and allows one to see further than someone who would artificially erect a massive wall of doubt and bodly claim there is no GOD, and to say belief in GOD and to have child-like faith and to believe in supernatural miracles is all a child's fantasy.
Actually, the field of Modern Physics and Cosmology today are discovering some pretty amazing phenomenon and new insigths that just a few years ago sounded like miracles and very supernatural to everyone. Is it possible that what we call supernatural and unreal today, is really very real and very possible and natural using the laws of the Universe we do not yet understand and have the ability yet to manipulate, yet there maybe intelligence that exists in the Universe that does have that ability? I think this is very possible, not just that, it is happening now and has been happening since the dawn of time. Can I prove this? No. It is a hypothesis. But I'm pretty sure one day we will all know. I'm counting on it.
Apparently you think all Christians are Fundamentalists? Do you not know there is a wide spectrum of belief? I told you I'm a Theistic Evolutionist. Perhaps you didn't read that and understand what that means. Read the book, The Science of God: The Convergence of Scientific and Biblical Wisdom.
Copernicus: Held an important position in the Church, did astronomy observations and took data on his own time. Knew enough to hold off publishing his findings regarding the Heliocentric model of the Solar System, since he knew he would suffer the outfall of challenging the church. He received a copy of his book the day he died.
Kepler: Devout, had faith. Discovered his Laws of Planetary Motion, and then used them to try to find the Star of Bethlehem. Died without successfully doing so. But he was on the right path. In our day a Lawyer, amatuer astronomer/enthusiast, and Christian has done so now. Using the pc program "Starry Night" which uses Kepler's Laws of Planetary Motion and Newton's Universal Law of Gravity, he has now found the Star of Bethlehem and more. http://thestarofbethlehemmovie.com/
Kepler is probably smiling proudly from Heaven. Science can't explain the juxtaposition of these 2 astronomical events with these 2 very important historical events in all of Christendom: the birth of Christ and the Crucifixion of Christ. Yet both are marked by very significant astronomical events that we can now know occured by using Kelpar's Laws and going back in time. Keplar's Laws predict future planetary motion as well as what happened in the past perfectly.
Galileo: Devout Catholic, yet challenged the Church. Great Scientist. Interested in everyhting. Even under house arrest by the Church, he didn't lose faith, and he continued to do science. He validated Copernicus's Heliocentric model of the Solar System demolishing the Aristotle Geocentric model and what the Church also agreed with. The Catholic Church opinion was pretty much whatever Aristotle said regarding the natural world. At the time the Catholic Church was all about political power, and very hypocritical. Galileo knew it, and so did the common people of his day. Galileo was famous in his own time, very popular. He loved a good arguement and he was very good at it; he published his writings in Italian so everyone would benefit. He challenged the Church often and the people loved him for it. He was too famous to be burned at the stake or to be put to death, so they put him in house arrest for the remainder of his life. His daughter bringing him food would smuggle out his notes and they were eventually published. Where there is a will there is a way.
See: NOVA: Galileo's Battle for the Heavens
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/galileo/
Newton: So much to say here and wonderful links to place. I'll come back and add more later. Let's just say Newton makes the point about having the ability to do really great science and having faith in GOD very, very well.
See: NOVA: Newton's Dark Secrets
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/newton/
So what did Newton accomplish and really almost all before the age of 26?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/newton/legacy.html
Absolutely brilliant.
But he was a man of Faith also. He calculated his estimate for the end of the world according to his research within the Bible: 2060 AD
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23401099-the-world-will-end-in-2060-according-to-newton.do
At the rate we are going and the global problems we are facing he was amazingly very insightful. Once again, way ahead of his time.
Newton also believed there was a Bible Code and he searched for it and searched for it, to no avail. Most of his writings relate to this and his prediction of the end of the world. Infact, they dwarf his science writings in shear volume. Today, we now know there is a Bible Code, but we didn't find it until the power of the computer became available. Seems to match the prophecy of the Bible regarding this hidden knowledge.
Daniel 12:4 (KJV)
"But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."
http://bible.cc/daniel/12-4.htm
Sounds like our time the Lord is describing. The words of the book (the book of Daniel or perhaps the Lord is referring to the entire Bible Code) would be sealed until the end time. The end time can be desrcibed as people running to and fro, perhaps this is referring to our ability to travel the world over very quickly, or perhaps our ability to virtually run around the world near the speed of light using the internet. The end time will be a period of increased knowledge. That certainly describes our day and age. What is the rate at which knowledge now doubles? The internet only increases this exponentially, with our ability now to instantly have an enormous knowledge base at our finger tips.
Follow this link: Watch all the videos in order. They will tell you the amazing story of the discovery and reality of the Bible Code. It is empirically real, and both qualitatively and quantitatively measurable. It is beyond statistical chance. Science can't explain it. It just is. GOD IS.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=972999&msg=996588#msg996588
Remember, these are the Fathers of Modern Science, they all had personal devout faith, and they did wonderful science and made brilliant scientific discoveries that changed our world forever.
(2) Klimmer wrote-
Can Science answer all questions?
Of course science can't answer all questions. Who says that? I've been in science and engineering 40 years and I haven't heard anyone ever say that.
Science is an investigational tool. That's all it is. An investigational tool for figuring out (a) how the world works and (b) how life works in terms of "what is", in terms of facts.
Yes, you pretty much answered the obvious answer. So-there-for, there must be other "tools" to answer these other questions that are outside of science's ability to answer. If it isn't testable then science can't work with it. Science can only work with testable hypotheses. These other tools would be: faith, religion, philosophy, reasoning and logic to name a few.
Look beyond Middle East "traditional" belief (traditional faith) discipline models. That's what modernity's transitioning to this century. There are "practices" of living (I call them belief discipline practices) that cover "what matters" and "what works" in addition to "what is" that don't depend on any ol time supernaturalist doctrines or supernaturalist belief at all.
Insofar as you're a teacher, you ought to get with it. Adapt. Upgrade. Maybe take some courses in the life sciences, too, with the goal to expand your "science span."
Who says I haven't? I have taken course work on other religions. One of the hardest college classes I had was a World Religion class. The instructor was a Catholic Priest/Buddist Monk. I think he was into asceticism. He made us earn our grade. We nearly had to crawl on our knees when turning in all the papers he assigned.
Wow, that is amazingly ignorant of you to say and pretty darn assuming.
I started out in college with my major as biology (I have taken many biology courses), then I changed to geology (again many courses), then because I enjoyed it all including meteorology I majored in Physical Geography with well rounded course work in all the spheres of the Geosphere: lithosphere, hydrosphere, atmosphere, biosphere, and the human/cultural sphere. Perfect for teaching Earth Science. I also teach Physics. Math, Physics, and Chemistry, are the foundations of all science, and as a scientist, and teacher, I have a solid foundation. (Always room for more though!)
Do I know it all? Absolutely not. I will always be a student of science. I would suspect Galileo, Newton, and Einstein would say the same thing. We teachers are always taking more classes and "upgrading." Professional hours are a requirement to maintain our California Teaching credentials. Even if it wasn't required, I would do it on my own anyway, I enjoy taking additional college courses whenever I can. I have more than enough units above and beyond my bachelors degree to compare to a masters and then some, but to no avail. I do not have my masters. Perhaps I will go after it in the field of meteoritics, since that is where my interests are now. I'm very heavy into Astronomy, Cosmology, and Meteoritics. My background has prepared me really well for it, and its what I really enjoy doing on my own time when I'm not teaching. I'm good at it. Pulls everything that I know together in one great package: physics, chemistry, astronomy, and even my background in Physical Geography and Earth Science/Geology is a very important component. It even pulls in my interests in Astrobiology! ALH84001 say no more.
Insofar as you have a "science span" you're enabled to see the consistency of the Scientific Story and how inconsistent the ancient Abrahamic narrative (featured in Judaism, Christianity and Islam) is with it.
I would strongly disagree with you. The Judaic/Christian narrative is very consistant with Science. Theistic Evolution. Learn about it. Read the book, The Science of God: The Convergence of Scientific and Biblical Wisdom, by Gerald L. Schroeder.
It takes incredible wisdom, study, and yes inspiration from GOD, the Holy Ghost, to seperate in the Bible what is fact, what is historical fact, what is story, what is allegory, what is analogy, what is parable, what is prophecy and more. GOD didn't make it easy, he wants us to thirst for it, and when we do incredible insights are given. To quote the good book:
2 Tim. 2:15 (KJV)
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
http://scripturetext.com/2_timothy/2-15.htm
Good luck.
Luck has nothing to do with it. Ability, hard work, devotion, faith, and inspiration has everything to do with it.
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