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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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^^^ oh I can't wait to hear the resolve from that one;)
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Sanders is a socialist...Freak out , join the birchers , the sky is falling...!
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Listen, it appears as though being labeled a socialist is a negative for some of you.
I'm not sure what kind of response you expect, but the man refers to HIMSELF as a socialist. This is not some label I'm trying to pin on the man he doesn't want. He accepts it, and wears it proudly apparently.
The fact that YOU don't like the label, is very telling. I wouldn't either.
So I'm not interested in arguing about a label the man sees fit to self-apply. It matters not if his policies are closer to being a social democrat, the fact that he labels himself as a socialist, and is getting support is sad.
And Dagne, where was I when Bush signed the Patriot Act? Right here, sick to my stomach just as much as the thought of my fellow Americans interested in electing a self-avowed socialist president.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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I, Karl Baba, and several others who are left of center (relative to the political spectrum in the US today) heavily criticized the Patriot Act from the get go. No one in here who swings right said a peep until maybe 2009 or 2010.
Isn't that what Locker would refer to as... "self-cupping"?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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John Duffield posted words on an image
Using this logic all the Republicans passing restrictive voting laws are doing exactly the right thing.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-panama-papers_us_5703c2d4e4b083f5c608d386
Bernie Sanders cited concerns about tax evasion to explain his opposition to the 2011 U.S.-Panama free trade agreement.
The Vermont senator now claims the leaked “Panama Papers,” which expose the offshore financial holdings of numerous high-profile individuals and firms, prove he was correct.
The latest polls ahead of Wisconsin’s primary on Tuesday showed Sanders leading Democratic rival Hillary Clinton.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Bernie is on the right side of history,again.
Following congressional approval of the U.S.-Korea, U.S.-Colombia, and U.S.-Panama trade agreements, Secretary Clinton released a statement:
"The Free Trade Agreements passed by Congress tonight will make it easier for American companies to sell their products to South Korea, Colombia and Panama, which will create jobs here at home. The Obama Administration is constantly working to deepen our economic engagement throughout the world and these agreements are an example of that commitment.
"The stakes are not just economic. South Korea, Colombia and Panama are three important partners in strategically vital regions. With the passage of these agreements, America has delivered for our friends and allies. I want to thank Presidents Lee, Santos and Martinelli for their patience and willingness to partner with the Obama Administration as these agreements moved through Congress.
"But our work is not yet done. We will not be content until these agreements are fully implemented so that American exporters can reap the benefits as soon as possible."
Other officials and stakeholders are voicing their support for the congressional approval of trade agreements with Korea, Colombia, and Panama. U.S. Trade Representative Ambassador Ron Kirk said:
"This President has gotten trade policy right. These agreements, made better at the President's insistence, will strengthen and expand ties with strategic partners in Asia and Latin America even as they support tens of thousands of jobs here at home, from shop floors to farms to service firms across our country. TAA reforms will ensure that workers get retraining and assistance for the 21st-century jobs they want and need. And the simultaneous passage of key preference programs upholds our commitment to partner with the world's poorest countries for economic growth.
"Taken together, these initiatives are the leading edge of a job-creating trade agenda that will open markets, level the playing field for our businesses and workers, and champion America's working families in an age of tough global competition. They deserve the historic and widespread support they received in Congress tonight. We will continue our work to rebuild an American consensus on trade."[url="http://https://blogs.state.gov/stories/2011/10/13/passage-colombia-panama-and-south-korea-trade-agreements"]http://https://blogs.state.gov/stories/2011/10/13/passage-colombia-panama-and-south-korea-trade-agreements[/url]
Sanders in the video below;
“Panama’s entire economic output is only $26.7 billion per year, or about two-tenths of one percent of the US economy,” Sanders said at the beginning of his speech. “No one can legitimately claim that approving this free trade agreement will significantly increase American jobs.”
[Click to View YouTube Video]
A glaring example of the "Freedoms" one propose's to lose,right there.
Thanks Duffield,Tradster.
http://usuncut.com/politics/panama-papers-bernie-sanders-white-house/
Hey you Libertarians,the views you have expressed here should bring vitriol.
Would you express those views at a campfire?
I know I would react to those views at a campfire,vitriol would be a nice word for that reaction.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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What sort of "vitriol" are you looking for? I'll see if I can oblige you.
:-)
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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I would not be looking for it.
You know,since I am a co-dependent Socialist........LOL.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Now you're an ITG? Good grief. I haven't had any problem expressing my views at a campfire. We're having one tonight....come on over.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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I knew that would get you going.
You guys would be fun to play hockey against.
Man,I have never been called an Information Technology Geek.......LOL.
I wont be over.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Panama will take all the V it can get ... er ... $$$ it can get
A penny not paid in taxes, is a penny earned
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Here's an idea, if the US doesn't want people to keep their money somewhere else, I suggest they adopt taxation policies that don't foment that behavior.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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But,but,How can we when we are being distracted ,trying to preserve our freedoms and liberty.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Tell it to El Chapo, dude.
We don't gotta read no stinkin' laws.
Two pennies not paid in taxes, are after all, two pennies earned
-Mint Romeny (a breath of stale air)
Keep on Tunnelin'
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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It is indeed a sad state of affairs when people and corporations consider it safer to keep their money offshore than to keep it in the United States.
Think about that for a moment, they actually think it has less change of being stolen offshore in a dodgy Panamanian account with little to no protection, than keep it here in the US and watch it evaporate.
Bernie calls it tax evasion, I call it prudent investing.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Escopeta wrote: "Here's an idea, if the US doesn't want people to keep their money somewhere else, I suggest they adopt taxation policies that don't foment that behaviour"
ok. i suspect you're right: it must have been the tough taxation found in libya and russia that caused gaddafi and putin to have their henchmen hide their money in panama. and i bet that also must have been the reason that the prime minister of iceland hid, in those same manilla folder businesses, his wife's shares of the icelandic banks that failed, at the same time that he campaigned to not have the banks bail out their creditors...
if there's one thing to love about libertarians it's this: there's no need to ask them how to solve any collective problem, because there can be only one inevitable answer...
let's all chant together: if only big government would get out of the way we all would be free!!!
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