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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Fritz, perhaps you failed to notice that i stated that was only one small part of the coverage in the gazette journal...Or you simply ignored that. Dont worry it will spill into Idaho soon..
and now i go to sell guns guns guns,, and ammo,ammo and more ammo...
Gee you seem so filled with GLEE about contributing to the destabilization of civil order.
About as useful as teats on a boar hog. Phucking Americunt.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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So you are a switch hitter.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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I've dealt with journalists now and then. It seems like they never get things exactly right. That is because they studied journalism instead of say, geology.
How about: "I've dealt with geologists now and then. It seems like they never get things exactly right."
To say that journalists get things wrong is about as useful as saying the sun comes up in the morning. Of course they get things wrong. Just as do geologists. Or dentists. Or carpenters.
If geologists "got things exactly right" we'd know where every mineral and oil deposit was, right down to the millimeter. And, of course, no geologist has ever lied, shaded the truth, or been influenced by corporate dollars.
Bruce is exactly right on this one. Journalists are far from perfect, but they're all we've got. Some are very good at what they do. Some, while they try to be good, just aren't very competent. And some have sold their souls for gold. As a consumer of news, it is up to you to do your best to separate the truth from the half-truth from the lies from the garbage.
The truth is out there. But often it takes some work to find it.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Ron! Thanks for a reply to my post of the Nevada Forest Service audit of employee harassment, that I can consider honest & true!
May 4, 2014 - 07:05pm PT
Fritz, i was hung in effigy at the centerville bar with a little voo-doo doll. I was called "pig of the woods" by many a local from SLT to Gardnerville Carson and Sierra county. I was threatened with chain saws guns and bodily assault. I also HATED the dist ranger whos office and mail box were blown up...He was an as#@&%e supreme. Yah it was all peace love and doves in the Carson dist LMAO!.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Ron posted Yah BK, just me, senators,legislaotrs, congressmen and a Governor.
Sorry, Ron, I'm confused. You tell me I can't trust the government but then you insist that I should trust your story because government.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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These "Sovereign Citizens" are NOT patriots they are parasites spreading infection in the body politic. What will happen when Ol' Cliven realizes that the state of Nevada and his pet sherrif do not agree with him and don't support him? Will he only have the voices in his head and his mob of knuckle draggers to talk with?
Education is the best immunization.
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dirtbag
climber
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More than a formal education, I think these yahoos need basic lessons in civics and a respect for the rule of law.
Even so, a lot of these folks are just plain nuts. Good luck reaching them.
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dirtbag
climber
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Along with Valium and fluoridated water...
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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I thought these people were supposed to be against "entitlements"?
Horsford, who attended a public event in nearby Mesquite earlier Saturday, said he was approached by residents there wanting to know about his plans to get militia members out of the area.
He said a fifth-grade girl told him that Bundy has a “sense of entitlement” and should pay grazing fees like other ranchers who use public land in the West. A man told him that Bundy is a “welfare rancher” living off taxpayer subsidies, Horsford said.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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At least Locker doesn't owe 'em a million bucks.
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Sanskara
climber
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Oh what's the matter your cause getting foreshadowed by your fanatasizm. You poor misunderstood gun toting wacked out militia supporting lunatic fringe crazy bastards.
I feel so bad for you all.
NOT!
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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The current FED admin has lied through their teeth so much they make the Nixon admin look like schoolgirls.
Says you with nothing more then accusations.
Then you proclaim you're right on other unproven statements you've made.
Your on course to become a sorry headline in some newspaper.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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LAS VEGAS (AP) — A Nevada congressman is calling on elected officials in the state to rid a town in his district of militia members who have rallied around rancher Cliven Bundy in his battle with federal land managers.
Rep. Steven Horsford, in an address to the Clark County Democratic Convention in Las Vegas on Saturday, said he's making the request after hearing more complaints from constituents about the presence of Bundy supporters near Bunkerville, 75 miles northeast of Las Vegas.
In encampments around the Bundy ranch, self-described militia members from around the country continue to camp with handguns on their hips and heavier weaponry within reach in a show of support for Bundy.
Bundy, a states' rights advocate who refuses to acknowledge the authority of the federal government, owes more than $1 million in fees and penalties for letting his cattle use government land over the past 20 years. Last month, the Bureau of Land Management stopped trying to round up his cattle after a showdown with hundreds of Bundy supporters, some of them armed.
Horsford, who attended a public event in nearby Mesquite earlier Saturday, said he was approached by residents there wanting to know about his plans to get militia members out of the area.
He said a fifth-grade girl told him that Bundy has a "sense of entitlement" and should pay grazing fees like other ranchers who use public land in the West. A man told him that Bundy is a "welfare rancher" living off taxpayer subsidies, Horsford said.
"And that is why I am calling on (Gov.) Brian Sandoval, Sen. Dean Heller, the (Clark County) sheriff (Doug Gillespie) and any other elected official in Nevada to do their part to get rid of these armed separatists," Horsford said to loud cheers from about 200 delegates.
Sandoval and Heller are Republicans, while Gillespie holds a nonpartisan position.
Sandoval spokesman Mac Bybee referred The Associated Press on Sunday to an interview on the "Nevada Newsmakers" television show taped Friday in which the governor acknowledged people have a right to feel safe in their homes.
Asked if Gillespie plans to move militia groups from the Bunkerville area, Sandoval replied, "No, and even if he had said that, I wouldn't share that with you, because certainly that's a conversation between the two of us."
"I just know that he is monitoring the situation and he's very aware of what's going on out there," the governor added, according to KRNV-TV.
Heller, who has labeled Bundy's supporters as "patriots," and Gillespie did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Horsford also has called for federal authorities and Gillespie to investigate the gun-toting force that Horsford said was frightening for residents.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/04/steven-horsford-cliven-bundy_n_5265050.html
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Sanskara
climber
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Hahahahhahahhahahnan
And the beat rolls on and on and on....
I think we all should be required to wear our rock climbing helmets at all times as we are all clearly brain injured. Some of us much more than others but all injured non the less.
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WBraun
climber
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I just finished reading the entire transcript conversations between Peter Santilli (PS) and Daniel Love (BLM).
It's very interesting.
I recommend anyone emotionally invested in this to read it.
http://guerillamedianetwork.com/released-more-secret-audio-of-blm-special-agent-in-charge-daniel-p-love-transcript/
6.05 PS – Can I speak to you privately? Without everybody? There was one guy that got a little bit out of hand
6.16 DL – which guy?
6.18 PS - He took down Margaret – 56 years old
6.20 DL – the one that jumped and almost got hit by a vehicle? The one that hooks with his arm to pull her out of the way of a convoy? He probably saved her life
6.32 PS – picture this – the purpose of our obstruction was out of concern for the cattle
6.37 DL – again I have been very very clear don’t obstruct our
6.42 PS – consider a mistake I made – Margaret’s intentions were to speak with somebody
6.46 DL – Margaret came dangerously close to almost being run over by a truck – and you know that officer does not push her in the front – you’ve seen the video – he hooks her by the waist with one arm and pulls her behind him. She obviously loses her balance and goes down. But he is not taking her by the shirt and ramming her into the ground. You have the evidence – look at it
7.19 PS – so you guys already investigated
7.21 DL – I’m all over it – we have our own very clear video – very clear officer’s statement
7.32 PS – that’s what I wanted to hear
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Oooooo, damn, that was a good one jonnyrig.
Werner's is also good. Something besides all the mouth foaming.
Edit: Locker, no it's not an everybody against Ron thread. It's a discussion about the standoff between Cliven and the government. It just so happens that Ron is one of the only people shouting for Cliven's team, and then people misdirect their frustration at each other, rather than the issue.
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John M
climber
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Good post Werner.. funny how quick people are to jump to judgments when they are pissed off.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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If people were striking against unfair labor practices, do you think the Federal Government would forcibly clear a picket line the same way?
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John M
climber
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Not sure what you are trying to say Chaz, because the government has forcibly cleared picket lines that were blocking traffic. Many many times.
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these "Discussions" here all too often go round and round and round again, getting NO WHERE…
some people clearly do have their minds made up.. but Werners post above brings a new light on part of the angst..
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