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Klimmer

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
A little midrash on Shabbat ...

Aug 3, 2013 - 07:30am PT
Russ, please post picture of yourself with the "Kramer" hairdo

Klimmer (our own K-man)...what's with the G-d stuff? he whose name must not be mentioned?


Little Z,


Yes, in Judaism to avoid offending and using the name of G-d in vain there are many ways to honor him without using his personal name. Judaism is very good at building safe fences around the Torah so as not to sin and offend:

HaShem: "The Name"

Adonai: "Lord"

Elohim: One of G-d's many names, and indicates a plurality to his nature, i.e. the triune nature of G-d.



G-d has many names throughout the Good Book, both OT and NT. But one in particular we are not to use or say and Judaism has made it an art at avoiding this name ...
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
Tom C.,


Thanks. I appreciate your view.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Aug 7, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
Jesus,

Can't believe how time flies. Klimmer did you ever check out those grid lines I gave to you years back in regards to the Los Angeles missile site when you were so preoccupied with that subject and looking for answers?

Not to change the subject.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 7, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
As regards Tesla the contest with Edison has shifted to some extent as there are now high power transmission lines operating DC.

Particularly submarine cables, where AC doesn't work well.

Curt
TheTye

Trad climber
Sacramento CA
Aug 8, 2013 - 11:49am PT
Jennie-

Not sure what kind of porn could possibly be more "detrimental" to children than the sh#t they watch on TV all day... horrible corporate marketing masked in teenage melodrama and superficial non-sense pushed on children like crack cocaine... or.... people having some fun sex... I know which one I think is evil...
unless your view of humans acting like humans in the bedroom is tainted by some odd puritanical shame about using your genitals in a sinful manner.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Aug 8, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
There is no god. We are just living here. No more, no less. We've evolved.

It wouldn't surprise me whatsoever if we found proof of life somewhere else, but don't confuse it with some sort of divine plan, because there is no god.
WBraun

climber
Aug 8, 2013 - 12:07pm PT
We've evolved.


Nope .... we've devolved.

We are stupider than sh!t now .....
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Aug 8, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Aug 8, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
Well Werner, we have evolved beyond apes.

We may be stupid as sh#t, but we have evolved.
WBraun

climber
Aug 8, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
we have evolved beyond apes.


The apes are still here.

They have more brains than those stupid human apes running our world.

Just see those stupid jackasses fighting, waring, killing and poisoning everything they touch.

Stupid devolved idiots .....
dirtbag

climber
Aug 8, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
I love this thread. I'm happy to see it bumped. It certainly is entertaining!
little Z

Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
Aug 8, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
G-d has many names throughout the Good Book, both OT and NT. But one in particular we are not to use or say and Judaism has made it an art at avoiding this name ...

Klimmer,

thanks, that was educational
Port

Trad climber
San Diego
Aug 8, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
Nope .... we've devolved.

We are stupider than sh!t now .....

The theory of evolution doesn't say that evolution= becoming smarter. Further evidence that you don't know sh#t about science. There is no devolution!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution_(biology);

confusion is based on two conceptual errors: the idea that evolution is supposed to make species more "advanced", as opposed to "primitive"; and the idea that some modern species that have lost functions or complexity accordingly must be degenerate forms of their ancestors. Its use is therefore mainly historical apart from its use by creationists.


The level of stupidity on this thread from people who actually think they're intelligent is mind blowing.
WBraun

climber
Aug 8, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
We know you're stupid and have a devolved intelligence when you take yourself so seriously in a thread like this .......
dirtbag

climber
Aug 8, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
Lol!!!! ^^^^^
dirtbag

climber
Aug 8, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
His last post was seriously great!
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Aug 8, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
I'm totally comfortable with there being an Ark on the Moon. I'm not comfortable believing there IS an Ark on the Moon given the current evidence.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Aug 8, 2013 - 11:41pm PT
Not sure what kind of porn could possibly be more "detrimental" to children than the sh#t they watch on TV all day... horrible corporate marketing masked in teenage melodrama and superficial non-sense pushed on children like crack cocaine... or.... people having some fun sex... I know which one I think is evil...
unless your view of humans acting like humans in the bedroom is tainted by some odd puritanical shame about using your genitals in a sinful manner.


TheTye,

I agree that much contemporary television is rubbish and fruitless in effecting healthy development of children. That circumstance, by no means, posits pornography as harmless or as "humans acting like humans in the bedroom"

Pornography's menace to children proceeds, in part, from the troubling shifts in attitude that it fosters. Replicated studies have manifest ...that display of distinct quantities of explicit pornography has a striking effect on how adults view women, sexual abuse and sexual relationships. This research is, in substance, unanimous in conclusions: Male individuals exposed to as little as 40 days of standard hard-core pornography:

1. Developed a greater sexual callousness toward women

2. Began to trivialize rape as a criminal offense or no longer considered it a crime at all

3. Developed distorted perceptions about sexuality

4. Developed an appetite for more deviant, bizarre, or violent types of pornography.

5. Devalued the importance of monogamy and lacked confidence in marriage as either a viable or lasting institution

6. Began regarding nonmonogamous sexual relationships as normal and natural behavior

Would you like a listing of those studies?



dirtbag

climber
Aug 8, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
I agree with a lot of that but the genie has been out of the bottle for quite awhile.
So now what?
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 9, 2013 - 12:18am PT
Somehow I didn't hear about this until just yesterday. I was re-reading an article of David Flynn's on his website and then finally I ran into a memorial on-line for him. I can't believe it. He left Earth over a year ago to return to Yeshua and I didn't even know it. I'm just really sad. I will miss you David, my brother in Adonai. We never met but you taught me a great deal.

Sad :_(


Mark Flynn, David's twin brother talks about David Flynn and what he meant to him:
http://watchervault.com/david-flynn-bio/mark-flynn-on-david-flynn/

David Flynn's original website is still up:
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/

The David Flynn Collection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF9JTQTTzSw

[Click to View YouTube Video]


I have both of his books:

Cydonia: The Secret Chronicles of Mars
This original book is now out of print. I paid a good amount of $ for my used copy. When I received it, I found to my amazement it was signed by David Flynn to someone else. I feel very fortunate to have it.

This book woke me up to "The Watchers," the Fallen Angels, that descended onto Mt. Hermon in Israel, which then led me to reading the Book of Enoch. I now know Lucifer and his fallen angels (his minions) had access to "The Stones of Fire," the terrestrial planets before the fall. I'm sure in time there will be much physical evidence to this effect out there when we get there. I think we have found it already on the Moon if not on Mars already, but then that's "Forbidden Secret Knowledge" isn't it? Thank you David for helping me to understand this truth.


Temple at the Center of Time: Newton's Bible Code Deciphered and the year 2012

An amazing book. Yes its about the Temple of G-d that was destroyed in 70AD and is prophesied to be rebuilt soon. Check out The Temple Institute in Israel: http://www.templeinstitute.org/temple_mount.htm

... they're getting more and more ready every day. And yes, Sir Isaac Newton was into Bible Code. Very much so. Yet he didn't find what he was looking for. He also studied and searched the physical dimensions and form of the Temple of G-d believing it had a code too. Well, David Flynn has worked it out. Both codes have now been worked out. See Micheael Drosnin's books on Bible Code for the other.
http://www.thebiblecode.com/?p=1



The following is a very advanced Theological study. Many won't accept this truth. But here it is anyway ... and thank you David Flynn for showing it to me. And no I don't teach this "Forbidden Secret Knowledge" in public school. But I sure think about these things on my own time. I'm willing to look into these very hard topics. Are you?:


The Angels were created before the Heavens and the Earth. They witnessed Creation over 14.8 B years ago ...

Job.38:1-7 (KJV)
[1] Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
[2] Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
[3] Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
[4] Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
[5] Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
[6] Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
[7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

http://www.billygraham.org/articlepage.asp?articleid=4091


Lucifer's fall and taking 33% of the Angels with him. Thesse are now fallen angels ...

Revelation 12:4, 7-9 (KJV)
[4] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

[7] And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
[8] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
[9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.




After Lucifer's fall, we learn a great deal from looking behind the curtain where G-d reveals much, when HaShem allowed Satan to test Job as a reproof to Satan. And no matter how hard Satan tried, he couldn't get Job to turn against Adonai ...

Job 1:6-12 (KJV)
[6] Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
[7] And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
[8] And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
[9] Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
[10] Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
[11] But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
[12] And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.





Before Lucifer's fall from G-d. Note he had access to walk up and down in the midst, or among, the Stones of Fire, made of igneous rock; in other words, the terrestrial planetary bodies. After his fall he now only has access to planet Earth, (see above) and the ability to approach G-d in Heaven to accuse mankind and the Saints of G-d before HaShem.

Ezekial 28:13-16 (KJV)
[13] Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
[14] Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
[15] Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
[16] By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.


God brings destruction and judgement upon the escaping serpent Satan, and destroys, cuts to pieces, shatters, Rahab. Many suggest this was a 5th planet where Satan and many Angels often occupied. This now forms the Asteroid Belt. From this destruction we have the Late Bombardment period of time throughout our Solar System, bringing cosmic judgement onto the planets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Heavy_Bombardment
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/earth/earth_timeline/late_heavy_bombardment
http://www.universetoday.com/92375/new-research-casts-doubt-on-the-late-heavy-bombardment/


Job 26:11-13 (NIV)
11 The pillars of the heavens quake, aghast at his rebuke. 12 By his power he churned up the sea; by his wisdom he cut Rahab to pieces. 13 By his breath the skies became fair; his hand pierced the gliding serpent.

Psalm 89:8-11 (KJV)
[8] O LORD God of hosts, who is a strong LORD like unto thee? or to thy faithfulness round about thee?
[9] Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them.
[10] Thou hast broken Rahab in pieces, as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm.
[11] The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine: as for the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them.


Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus the Christ, witnessed Lucifer fall from heaven to Earth ...

Luke 10:16-24 (KJV)
[16] He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
[17] And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
[18] And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
[19] Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
[20] Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
[21] In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
[22] All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
[23] And he turned him unto his disciples, and said privately, Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:
[24] For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.


There was an Angelic Age long before man was ever on Earth. They had cities. Then Lucifer's fall happened. Then severe and swift judgement from G-d. G-d wipes all life (again) and civilizations from Earth, cleaning the slate, without completely destroying Earth. G-d reboots life on Earth (again) bringing about modern man, Homo sapien, made in the image of HaShem, ...


Jeremiah 4:23-27 (KJV)
[23] I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
[24] I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
[25] I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
[26] I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
[27] For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.


Note how Jeremiah 4:23-27 parallels Genesis 1:2, and fits between Genesis 1:1, and Genesis 1:2. This is the Gap Theory. There is a gap of time between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. Jeremiah 4:23-27, along with other scriptures noted, fills in the gap. This was the time of Angels among "The Stones of Fire," and Lucifer's fall from G-d, leading to swift and severe judgement from G-d, destroying much of the surface of the terrestrial planets and destroying Rahab.


Gen.1:1-2 (KJV)
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Then G-d rebooted life again bringing about modern man.



Then we have Fallen Angels coming to Earth, about 200 of them the first time, mating with beautiful Women of Earth and having offspring called Nephilim. The Nephilim were the worst of both. They were half Fallen Angel and half Fallen Man. To see how bad this combination was, it was an abomination to G-d, read The Book of Enoch (1 Enoch). This is were we get the Greek Myths. There is some truth to the Greek Myths. Many of the characters are Nephilim.


http://www.biblestudytools.com/cjb/genesis/6.html

Genesis 6:1-9 (The Complete Jewish Bible)
1 In time, when men began to multiply on earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were attractive; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 ADONAI said, "My Spirit will not live in human beings forever, for they too are flesh; therefore their life span is to be 120 years." 4 The N'filim were on the earth in those days, and also afterwards, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; these were the ancient heroes, men of renown. 5 ADONAI saw that the people on earth were very wicked, that all the imaginings of their hearts were always of evil only. 6 ADONAI regretted that he had made humankind on the earth; it grieved his heart. 7 ADONAI said, "I will wipe out humankind, whom I have created, from the whole earth; and not only human beings, but animals, creeping things and birds in the air; for I regret that I ever made them." 8 But Noach found grace in the sight of ADONAI. 9 Here is the history of Noach.


Jude.1:1-25 (KJV)
[1] Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
[2] Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
[3] Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
[4] For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
[5] I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
[6] And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
[7] Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
[8] Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
[9] Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
[10] But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
[11] Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
[12] These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
[13] Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
[14] And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
[15] To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
[16] These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
[17] But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
[18] How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
[19] These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
[20] But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
[21] Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
[22] And of some have compassion, making a difference:
[23] And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
[24] Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
[25] To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_of_Jude




Some good reads on this:

The Book of Enoch (1Enoch)

All of David Flynn's books and articles ...

This forum discussion ...
http://www.christianforums.net/archive/index.php/t-4754.html?s=ebddf0960cb9174527a11e901634a705

The Science of God, by PhD Gerald Schroeder:
http://www.geraldschroeder.com/About.aspx

Rightly-Dividing Geology and the Book of Genesis Beyond the "Gap Theory" of Creationism
http://www.kjvbible.org/




The way I see it, The Book of Nature and The Book of G-d are in perfect agreement.




Anyway, I just want to remember a gentle, loving, intelligent, even genius of a man of HaShem. I'm eternally grateful for your insights David. I will always tip my hat to you. Thank you. You were way ahead of so many others and you weren't scared to step-out of the box.

Rest in HaShem Adonai Elohim's Shalom, my brother. I will one day see you on the other side with Yeshua HaMashaich, and the saints, the people of G-d, and the Heavenly Hosts of G-d.
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