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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jul 10, 2016 - 08:33pm PT
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I would if people like you were not on her payroll.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 10, 2016 - 09:14pm PT
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Smell the coffee, Berners...the only thing that can prevent TrumpPocalypse is Hillary.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Jul 10, 2016 - 11:22pm PT
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I don't know. I hear Trump will withdraw for $150 million.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jul 11, 2016 - 09:08am PT
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GFC - Thanks for the Serena post.
Made my morning.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 11, 2016 - 10:23am PT
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Exactly my thoughts, couch. What's the point, then?
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jul 11, 2016 - 11:08am PT
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I would if people like you were not on her payroll.
Boy, wilbeer, you need to get off that bus to Soreloserville.
Lol! Crankster does come across as a "plant" doesn't he. He's very politically astute, never really discussing (on rare occasion) particular points, and usually sticking to the "party line". Wilbeer, I suspect he know's you're not on that particular bus but admitting it would lend credence to (our) your position.
I'd be shocked if the lot of you really cannot understand why so many people are pissed off about the status quo (and I am not talking about the racists who are pissed off), and that to a certain degree a vote for Hillary is a vote for the status quo.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 11, 2016 - 11:16am PT
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Of course I realize the frustration people have in Establishment politics...though Donald's an ultimate slimebag, I get the part about his appeal due to his supposed 'anti-establishment' character.
There's ideal, then there's real. We have a two Party system, and these are the candidates in front of us....one is going to be in the WH. The practical reality of that fact makes a Hillary choice pretty damn easy.
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Norton
Social climber
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Jul 11, 2016 - 11:21am PT
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so, what exactly is the "status quo"?
I assume it is a vague term for business as usual in Washington
and much much much of the time congress does nothing at all to benefit the citizens
they vote and pass the same legislation every year, fund the military, etc
government spending is some 20% of the US economy
so what is the problem with Status Quo?
congress is not passing enough legislation to benefit the middle class, is that is?
what do you want that you are not getting from the Status Quo?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jul 11, 2016 - 11:31am PT
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Like not voting for Hillary is going to change anything to "Not status quo"
It's just a misunderstanding of how politics works
you want to get out of the status quo, you need to do a lot more work than just voting for a President
You need a movement with a President and Congress in session that want change to do squat
If Jill Stein was elected do you really think the status quo will change?
It won't...
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jul 11, 2016 - 11:33am PT
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This is scary -- Ginsburg just gave me a reason to vote for Trump. She says if he wins, it's time to move to New Zealand. While that's an insufficient reason to vote for an egomaniacal disaster-in-the-making, getting Ginsburg off the court would not be a bad thing.
;-)
John
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jul 11, 2016 - 11:38am PT
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you want to get out of the status quo, you need to do a lot more work than just voting for a President
You need a movement with a President and Congress in session that want change to do squat
Something like Occupy Wall Street.
Except well thought out and effective.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Jul 11, 2016 - 12:26pm PT
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We have a two Party system...
I'm voting for Gloria La Riva. She was just arrested in Baton Rouge. I like political leaders who get busted because of their politics.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 11, 2016 - 12:30pm PT
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Gary, Hillary almost got busted. Isn't that enough for you?
:-)
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 11, 2016 - 12:31pm PT
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Again I urge everyone not in swing state to vote for Jill Stein, Green Party, or Gary Johnson, Libertarian. Show support for moving from a two party system.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jul 11, 2016 - 12:57pm PT
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Our system is screwed up. Both sides are corrupt. The GOP is controlled by corporations and the far right. The Dems seem to be closer to their roots, but they're still bought and paid for by big business. It's nearly impossible for moderates to reach across the aisle and then still get re-elected.
What's it gonna take for real change to occur? Someone like Sanders in the WH? Even if he got elected, he'd face a do-nothing Congress.
What can be done? Term limits. An amendment for campaign finance? Scrap the electoral system? The only time that comes up is when there's a sore loser.
How about we start over? Go with something similar to France's?
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Jul 11, 2016 - 01:13pm PT
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EdwardT, some science fiction writer, I suspect Heinlein, thought a lottery would be the way to go.
His thinking was that anyone who WANTED to be president, for instance, couldn't be trusted with that much power. Hence, a lottery instead of elections for any political office. Everyone would have to enter, no exceptions. If you won the lottery, you had to serve.
You'd definitely have a more representative legislature than what we have now. Most members of congress are millioniares.
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