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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 11, 2013 - 12:22am PT
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Ted Gundy, an 86-year-old World Wat [sic] II sniper, was awarded the "black hat," one of the highest awards of the marksmanship unit, during his visit to Ft. Benning, Ga. He got a few other surprises along the way.
He was presented with an exact replica of the rifle he used during the Battles of the Buldge [sic] and Bastogne, a 1903 Springfield A4 sniper rifle. It must have seemed like old home week as he hit the target - three hits for three shots - at three hundred yards - three football fields.
He was then given the opportunity to try modern equipment on a target 1,000 yards away. The Remington 700 is, according to the video, "one of the most accurate rifles in the world."
At 1,000 yards, for every mile per hour of crosswind, the bullet moves 10 inches. Just like with the WWII-era Springfield at 300 yards, Gundy hit three for three with the Remington at 1,000.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 11, 2013 - 01:46am PT
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By buying a rifle legally, he wasn't proving anything.
He proved that gun nut blogs would pick up on the story and try to blow it into something it wasn't... which is the context in which it was presented here... until it was set straight... after which the gun nuts back peddled, as usual.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Mar 11, 2013 - 09:40am PT
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ronically, gun nuts
wow. you stepped across that line.
Called the guys who fight for your freedom names. I could see a Canadian disrespecting your troops, or an American after Vietnam, but today?
You open your mouth enough and your true colors will show through.
Way to make your mother proud!
Well you can not deny that the deadliest snipper in American history was not killed on a foriegn battlefield but right in the good 'ol United States of Gunmerica.
The point is, this guy loves his American lifestyle. If he didn't, he'd move. But he isn't smart enough to appreciate the guys who provide it for him. If deep down inside he doesn't get that, arguments relating to that are equally void and non-nonsensical. It doesn't matter what he loves, he hates the hand that feeds him. He's freeloading, no different than an illegal alien.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Mar 11, 2013 - 09:48am PT
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Well you can not deny that the deadliest snipper in American history was not killed on a foriegn battlefield but right in the good 'ol United States of Gunmerica.
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Mar 11, 2013 - 10:58am PT
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So a veteran sniper was killed by another clearly troubled veteran and you as#@&%es want to spin that as a problem with american gun culture? What a bunch of dumbshits. You ought to be calling for better health services to take care of the people who defend our freedom to make idiotic statements like that.
My coworker,s son, after serving three tours in Afganistan unharmed, got hit by a drunk driver. And yet some of you remain silent on that claiming that kind of thing is "just an accident".
So go on and spin the sh#t however you want.
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Mar 11, 2013 - 11:31am PT
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Take action? You have no guns. Good luck with that. You,re out of your f*#king mind, and it,s clearly just a matter of time until you go off the deep end and start shooting people you percieve as gun nuts.
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Mar 11, 2013 - 11:50am PT
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Wait wait... you want to take guns ov of everyones hands except law enforcement, called trading the lives of gun owners for victims an euen trade, and now want to school me on why people join the military?
F*#k you. I never agreed with Iraq. But you jumped to some other cnclusion. Nobody here ir under any delusion about your state of mind n the gun subject. And the rest of the pmsters, even philo, have even SOME kind of logic behind what they say and why.
But you hedge? You,re totally flipped. Nothing, and i mean NOTHING will ever be a reasonable compromise to you except the complete anhialation of private firearms ownership, even if it means killing all the gun nuts.
You,re not even a climber. All you do is post sh#t to the political threads.
I,m done with this, and with your bullshit especially. No doubt you will view this as victory, and in your twisted brain it can be nothing less.
Unfortunately, your incessant rant has done more damage for your argument than good for your cause. You,re just too f*#king stupid to realize it.
Now then... quote, rebut, and claim victory. It,s what you do.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Mar 11, 2013 - 11:51am PT
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very freedom you claim our soldiers need to be defending
I never claimed they need to be defending anything. Quit making fake arguments up to support your point of view.
[I believe they are defending the American way of life through hegemony of the petrol dollar. They are succeeding. They haven't bombed/occupied a country that hasn't first started to sell oil for something other than the USD. This, in turn, allows out-of-control economics to survive because everyone needs the dollar to live since they have so much of it and need it to buy/sell oil.]
Glad to see you are at least honest with your true feelings hedge - even if your mother should have slapped you for them while you were a younger boy.
This also explains why hedge thinks the way he did. His mother kept him from anything dangerous growing up, because she didn't trust him with knives, rakes, etc. She also believed that it wasn't her stupid son that would be at fault for cutting himself, it was the knife's fault. What a stupid society that would be if everyone were like that. WAYYYY more deaths, Darwin Awards, if people were never taught to be responsible. I see his society going there much easier than where he thinks it is headed.
And how'd that work out in Iraq fer ya?
If Iraq is selling oil for dollars, it worked out well for the US. If they are still selling oil for gold bullion and the currency of each buying country, they failed.
Question for you: what bank was sanctioned and shut down in Iran, no longer operates. And what was that bank set up to do? What was it's primary purpose? When did this happen?
Libya? Can you name 6 other countries in the past 10 years that fit this list? Are you having a little trouble with cause and effect logic? Because it doesn't seem to have changed since your mother was dealing with her 6-yr old.
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Mar 11, 2013 - 11:59am PT
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I will no longer support this thread, nor the political rantings of some crazy, non-climbing political activist spinmeister like jghedge.
You can have this thread, for all the good it,s going to do you.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 11, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
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I believe the term your looking for is "malingerer"
Eleutherophobic malingerer.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 11, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
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I think that the guns should come out the next time there are "hanging chads" in a close election.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Mar 11, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
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Jhedge lives for this sh#t. It's the highlight of his day.
The jhedges of the world are weak and they know it. That's why they fear everything.
As a responsible gun owner, I will always support realistic and responsible gun laws.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 11, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
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Just saw the hedge rant about Chris Kyle.
Whether or not they were defending our freedom, one of the snipers main functions is to eliminate people who are actually firing on our troops!
So the question of our having business there is moot once the bullets start flying.
Surgical elimination is certainly preferable to plan B, namely stand off and bomb regardless of "collateral damage".
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 11, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
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So a veteran sniper was killed by another clearly troubled veteran and you as#@&%es want to spin that as a problem with american gun culture? What a bunch of dumbshits. You ought to be calling for better health services to take care of the people who defend our freedom to make idiotic statements like that.
Absolutely, 100% we should have far better health services. Hopefully all those who are fighting so hard for or against gun regulations are fighting just as hard to ensure better health services.
But I think the point remains, the vet who did the killing had a long enough history of documented mental issues that he should not have been holding a gun. Don't you agree? Would you have taken him shooting? I'd probably taken him climbing, hiking, or miniature golfing. It is being brushed over that taking him shooting was a very bad idea in the first place.
My coworker,s son, after serving three tours in Afganistan unharmed, got hit by a drunk driver. And yet some of you remain silent on that claiming that kind of thing is "just an accident".
Drunk driving accidents are not accidents. "Oops, I drove drunk again." No, THAT is bullsh#t.
Drunk driving is just as irresponsible as giving someone with mental issues a gun. The thing is, it is already illegal to drive drunk and there are drunk driving check points. I'm all for doing more. Do you have suggestions?
We can compare guns to cars (again) but correct me if I'm wrong... I don't need a license to operate a gun, my gun's serial number is not linked to me when I buy it, I don't have to register my gun registration to ensure my gun is safe, I don't have to renew my non-existent gun license every few years, and the "tests" to buy a gun are absurdly easy.
I know it is hard hillrat, but try not to lose your temper like the rest of us idiots. We need to hear from the more rational folks on the pro-gun side... the ones who DON'T think Obama is coming for their guns.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 11, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
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So, hedge, one thing I've never gotten a straight answer for:
How are those 300 million guns out there gonna be confiscated?
You can't use the Army and I doubt they will use the National Guard so
how is it gonna happen?"
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Mar 11, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
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Absolutely, 100% we should have far better health services. Hopefully all those who are fighting so hard for or against gun regulations are fighting just as hard to ensure better health services.
Unfortunately several southern republicans are lobbying to let people troubled with mental health issues have guns. How does that make sense?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 11, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
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hedge, I do believe I asked for specifics. I really doubt that you can
provide any proof that any military or police entity in any Western democracy
has ever gone door-to-door confiscating weapons. The only way they have
achieved a modicum of gun control in Europe is by limiting production and
sales, primarily of handguns. There is no shortage of rifles in Europe.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Mar 11, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
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This "There coming to take your guns" argument is just nothing more than paranoid rightwing fear mongering BS.
You know that street fight I broke up a little over a month ago would have turned out very differently if guns had been involved. For one thing instead of simply subduing the punk ass I would likely have seriously injured or killed him with my bare hands for pulling a gun on me. If you are going to pull a gun on me you better be damned ready to use it before I get my hands on you. As it was, without guns involved there was no harm and no foul. I have been threatened with guns before.
It did not turn out like the perp thought it would.
Curious, why do they want teachers to carry guns when sailors aboard submarines can't?
And why can't I go to my local Home Depot or Wall Mart and buy dynamite?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 11, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
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And why can't I go to my local Home Depot or Wall Mart and buy dynamite?
Because none of us would survive the dynamite being handled by their empolyees.
Oh, and the right to buy dynamite isn't in the Constitution.
Good luck with that being changed.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Mar 11, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
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There are guns on submarines. They are kept well secure. Much like the way citizens should store their guns, but generally don't.
No brainer.
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