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Prod
Trad climber
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Sep 18, 2011 - 02:12pm PT
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Geeez Chez,
Bit cranky today?
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Sep 18, 2011 - 07:27pm PT
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I made "his and her's" T-shirts
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Sep 18, 2011 - 10:29pm PT
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Your models should be sitting on the crapper ;)
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 21, 2011 - 06:18pm PT
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Cool Hand Hook
Enemy Of The Steel
Inherit The Wings
A Few Good Turds
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Sep 27, 2011 - 12:54pm PT
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Where did Steve and Mimi go? Are the questions i re-posted really that scary? :)
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jsb
Trad climber
Bay area
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Sep 28, 2011 - 03:29am PT
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Anybody know when the article comes out? (It's gonna be in Rock & Ice, right?)
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Sep 28, 2011 - 10:07am PT
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Oh! Have we started again?
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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A Hook too Far
JSB- Kait b
For all those who have asking - the article of our second ascent of Wings of Steel will be published in Rock and Ice magazine. This will be available to read in approximately 4 weeks!
Thanks goes out to everyone who has provided support around this climb. Ammon and I both hope you all will enjoy it!
Dweeb- No just seeing if Steve and Mimi were around. I am looking forward to the article.
Now in a time honored thread tradition i will bump your ponies with mountains.
Edit: Date of that post was Sep 14
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Prod
Trad climber
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I'm trying to decide if I should read it in the bathroom. Of course no disrespect to K and A.
Prod.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Always read WOS material where cleanup is easiest!
[Editor: Scanned images of copyrighted material removed due to request by copyright owner]
Oh Pink Pony, next best thing to a Dik as you are, tell me true...
Where DID your pals get any microflake hooking and copperheading experience on lead prior to leaving the ground on WOS?
Only one mention of hooks in all these route descriptions and the topos.
After all these years, I've never gotten an answer from Richard and Mark about any relevant wall experience beyond the Riverside Quarry routes so thoroughly documented by Jensen and Smith after their terrifying six months at it!
Richard did claim to have soloed the South Face of the Washington Column in somewhere between two and ten days but this isn't mentioned in the Book of Dik as it intereferes with the "chosen for greatness" angle.
Oh, and is WOS a P6 route?
If not that one then Winds of Change or Ring of Fire?
Pink Pony edits---all better!
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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next best think after their terrrifying Only one mention of a hooks
it intereferes with
You might want to do some proofing of your own there, Brony.
Edit -- Almost there. Still need to change the fourth one to "interferes" you see.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Elegant. In one word you've captured the running theme of this here thread, Mark. =)
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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I chatted with Ammon during the FaceLift - he helped with pouring beer. Not to give away secrets, but I'm looking forward to their report on the climb.
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WBraun
climber
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Riverside Quarry
Not bad at all for LA. What's wrong with that place?
It looks cool .....
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Yeah, looks as good as any stone to take a hammer and steel to (eh, aid slingers, all fair game for the hardware?) --right up there with your Capitan.
Rock is rock and loses dignity when a piece of steel pounds on it--'cept for Ringing Rocks, now that place is music when hammers hit it !
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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What my opposite said--AND to get that ridiculous picture that fattfraud posted at the top of the last page...
You must be the lowest form of aid climber there is, fatty--buying gear to use it as a parody prop, cause you don't need one of those to climb one of your avatar mountains surely...
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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All right. I just finished my paper, so I have time to respond to your earlier post, Steve.
However, the more I consider our continued process together, I confess that I am at a loss to see a point in doing so. Sure, I could gather the information you’re asking for and post it up here, make some kind of attempt at empirical or philosophical validation of Mark and Richard’s skills or approach while throwing in some kind of jab at you or Mimi. But ultimately, looking over 4 years of posting history, I’m not seeing that as being overmuch beneficial or getting us anyplace other than where we still are. It’s just more of the same point/counterpoint-attack/counterattack pattern that’s been going on between you/Mimi and Richard/Mark for years. Those two are much more qualified to speak of the details of their climb than I am, but not much seems to be gained through that approach anyway.
I’ve mentioned it before, maybe it’s time we try doing something different in this dance. The fact of the matter is that while I will never see what happened in the valley as anything but an unwarranted violation of personal rights, it’s also true that I understand your point of view on a lot of this stuff. It’s 1982 in Yosemite Valley, and here come a couple of young kids barely out of high school with no reputation in that community to speak of – unknown and apparently untested by most climbers’ standards – walking into the valley and stating the intention to put up a route on the Great Slab of El Cap. The way they talk about it plus their perceived lack of experience paints a picture to you and others that they’ll end up drilling and bolting their way all the way up the slab, breaking every rule of good, ethical climbing and desecrating the rock. It makes sense that you and the other climbers in the valley at the time would take action to prevent this scenario from happening. What I’m saying here is that yes, where you and others were coming from at the time makes a certain amount of sense. And I can see how it’s a viewpoint that you would not compromise on even now.
I guess that’s all I have - or intend - to say at the moment. Given that we’ve all passed plenty of water since the events of Wings of Steel, I’m thinking that the time has come for us to start building bridges instead of continuing to build walls.
If you want to, we could speak privately via PM rather than publicly where it’s more difficult to have that kind of conversation.
Though, admittedly, I would be disappointed not to be able to post at least a few more of the pony pictures I’ve been saving. Some of these are real gems…
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