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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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May 15, 2016 - 06:31am PT
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By all means, the fleecing should be efficient and painless. Perhaps they could install soma vending machines at the DMV if you are unable to quickly and easily submit your information and ducketts online.
I wonder what would happen if all spurious regulation/fees/licensing as well as annual tax payments be mandated to be completed in-person so that people really get to feel the bern properly.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2016 - 02:44pm PT
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...he whined on his government invented internet. Escopeta you are that perfect example of a libertarian. Enjoying all the privilege, complaining about the costs while others bear the real burden.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 15, 2016 - 03:10pm PT
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Libertarian logic
Paying for services = fleecing
taxes = theft
Gov. = thanks for taking all my freedoms away
as he types away freely on the internet in the safety of American privilege
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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May 15, 2016 - 03:18pm PT
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What burden are you carrying? Oh, right.... I forgot.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 15, 2016 - 05:49pm PT
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And lives in a state that basically only survives on taxes paid by other states and has one of the lowest state GDPs per capita, but a real exception-to-the-rule contributor no doubt. Basically, libertarians are semi-organized freeloaders hiding behind about a dozen differing spews all of which are basically bullsh#t.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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May 15, 2016 - 07:07pm PT
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Nothing that a few more license and regulatory fee schemes can't fix I'm sure.....
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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May 16, 2016 - 05:11am PT
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IF they raise the DMV fees even higher in CA, maybe they could create more jobs? That would be good right?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 16, 2016 - 05:51am PT
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What burden are you carrying? Oh, right.... I forgot.
Hahahahahaha, get it? Racism is hilarious!
Again, it's very freeing to stop apologizing for racism. You've already acknowledged aspects of your own privilege, you were literally bragging about it. Step into the light, Escopeta! It might cost you some of your victimhood but that will make you a far, far more interesting person I promise.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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May 16, 2016 - 07:02am PT
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Pass
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 16, 2016 - 07:07am PT
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Victimhood is a powerful drug. I can't say I blame you.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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May 16, 2016 - 07:25am PT
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Especially with so many people ready to carry my burden for me. Thanks for picking that up. You're doing yeomans work there and should be recognized.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 16, 2016 - 08:11am PT
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Thanks!
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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May 17, 2016 - 04:52pm PT
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Dude, take a look at the reasonable words coming from The Pope and compare it with the level to which U.S. Republicans have degenerated:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/17/pope-francis-islam-christianity-share-idea-of-conquest-sadiq-khan
How do these words reconcile with the position of leading Republican presidential candidates? Does the Republican party still have the support of those who identify themselves as Christian? Maybe those people should instead vote for Bernie Sanders. He certainly holds a lot more Jesus-like positions than any of the Republican candidates.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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May 18, 2016 - 01:51pm PT
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My wife and I just returned from a week as tourons in Arizona - Route 66, Grand Canyon, Sedona, et al. Did I miss anything?
John
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dirtbag
climber
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May 18, 2016 - 01:56pm PT
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No! I will probably be unplugged for much of August and September. It will probably be good for me not to follow what Donald fookin trump says
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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May 18, 2016 - 02:11pm PT
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I rebel, like most, at gov't inefficiency. However, I remain very impressed that neither party, when in power, seems to have a significant effect on making things better.
Inefficiency does translate into money spent, which perks up the economy. Simply shutting things down, like military bases and weapons programs, would result in economic slowing, which is poison for any politician.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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May 18, 2016 - 03:09pm PT
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I remain very impressed that neither party, when in power, seems to have a significant effect on making things better.
Ken, the old joke is that Republicans allege that government can't work, and proceed to try to prove it when they get in power. While I have often contended that Democrats make better bureaucrats than Republicans, because Democrats are willing to stay in those positions for a lifetime, so they have more experience, the last seven years make me wonder. I find this particularly true as I watch the CFPB's regulations under Dodd-Frank. If anyone there has any clue how their regulations affect debtor-creditor relations and how they help or hurt the economy, the evidence is quite weak.
Your comments on government spending need a small qualification. The stimulative effect of spending depends on the type of spending and the method of financing it. If we take money from the private sector and have the government spend it instead, it may or may not be stimulative, depending on where it's spent. If spent on public goods (meaning goods and services that have social utility, but have no effective means of exclusion), they can actually prove stimulative, even if that leaves less money in private hands. If, instead, they just amount to pure transfer payments, there is a noticeable lack of statistically significant stimulative effect.
When financed by deficit spending, the short-term effect of government expenditures is almost always stimulative, regardless of how it's spent - provided it isn't spent to slow down the private sector (see discussion of Dodd-Frank, above, or alternatively, EPA regulations, etc.) The longer term effect (i.e. more than two years) depends, however. Deficits can mean stimulus, or they can mean inflation, depending on the growth in demand and in the money supply. I still see inflation as the only practical way out of our deficits of the last 15 years, but demand needs to grow for the growth in the money supply to result in inflation. Without a growth in investment, real demand won't grow, as the disappointing recovery demonstrates.
Sad to say, the Democrats and Republicans haven't figured out how to stimulate investment. In addition, the Democrats haven't figured out investment's importance, and the Republicans haven't figured out how to explain its importance - and the limits of governmental interferance, but then who's perfect? That imperfection gives us something to talk about.
John
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John M
climber
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May 18, 2016 - 03:52pm PT
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because Democrats are willing to stay in those positions for a lifetime,
uh..
just can't help yourself.. can you.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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May 18, 2016 - 04:46pm PT
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the evidence is quite weak
The evidence is to the contrary in point of fact.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 18, 2016 - 08:05pm PT
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Republicans haven't ever figured out how to demonstrate its importance
Fixed that for you...
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