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raymond phule
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Sep 15, 2011 - 02:36am PT
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The prodding it has taken to get any stretch of truth from these guys is ridiculous.
Here is one thing (of many) that I don't understand in Mimi's posts. I have followed this saga and the WOS guys seems to have been very clear about what they have done during the FA and have tried to answer other peoples questions.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Sep 15, 2011 - 06:42am PT
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Mimi, You have repetedly posted that the shitters were heros. At least in the last day or so you are acting a tiny bit like an adult but up untill now it has been on about a 7th grade level on your end.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Sep 15, 2011 - 07:41am PT
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Mimi's heroes, maybe...
Taking a shite in front of someone, or onto property, is the lowest move of a human being--even animals act better than this.
The old fockers need to be buried in the grave with what they proffered onto others --SH#TE
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tooth
Trad climber
The Best Place On Earth
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Sep 15, 2011 - 09:46am PT
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The instigators can only be heros to a 7th grade mind or less. Kinda like playing with g.i. joes. You either outgrow it, or you are comic-book-guy mumbling to himself about 'superheros' all day long while adults wish their kids wouldn't go near him.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Sep 15, 2011 - 11:44am PT
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Many of us we initially on the side of the detractors until these threads.
We believed what had been written and believed the claims of it being a bolt ladder. But through these threads we have learned that a lot of what the detractors have said is not true. Plus the detractors saying things like the shitters are heroes immediately makes them lose credibility in my mind. Anyone who thinks that is in any way justified can't be trusted. If you are missing that level of common human decency where does it end?
What is completely justified is climbing it, THEN chopping if warranted.
The FA team did have their part in the controversy. They could have repeated the hardest routes of the day first. I don't think they were required to, but it would have undercut a lot of the criticism.
The time on the route and the amount of gear is simply personal choice. Yes a better party typically takes less time, but that doesn't really effect anyone's experience but their own.
They didn't prove their competence before WoS, but they did afterwards by repeating hard routes, so they couldn't have been that incompetent.
They have been MORE than forthcoming with any information requested. And much of the 'ammunition' used against them comes straight from their own book.
So far I haven't heard anything the WoS team said proven to be false. But I have heard either false or unsupported claims from the detractors.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Sep 15, 2011 - 11:59am PT
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LOL! How about them showing some respect in the first place?
for you?, Grossman? El Cap?, SAR?, the Awhanichi? Royal? Warren?
Begininning to think Mimi=LEB
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:06pm PT
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LEB had more credibility as a climber.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Sep 15, 2011 - 12:10pm PT
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apparently they owed the shitters/heroes RESPECT!!!111666
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Sep 15, 2011 - 01:18pm PT
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I always thought the guys who couldn't free climbed hard, turn to aid climbing and tried to make it something it's not
Hey! I resemble that remark!
;-)
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Sep 15, 2011 - 01:41pm PT
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Well, I'm not dead yet so there are still a few NIADs left in me as well as a Freerider trip. One of these days I'll do a totally free climbing trip in the Valley!
Even still though, vertical backpacking is pretty dang fun!
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Sep 15, 2011 - 05:16pm PT
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The FA team did have their part in the controversy. They could have repeated the hardest routes of the day first. I don't think they were required to
Required to?
Those guys didn't owe the shitters a f*#king thing, ever.
I said I don't think they were required to. However they could have made life much easier on themselves if they repeated a test piece first.
I think it's very cool to walk up to El Cap and do an FA as your first time up. But they were doing a route different than all others that required hundreds of bolts. And they were spending over a month doing it. The nature of the climb was going to attract concern. And the valley IS the crucible of American climbing, people ARE going to care about what happens there and statements about the state of climbing do happen there.
If you walk down a sidewalk in South Central with a Rolex on your wrist and you get jacked it's not your fault and it in no way justifies stealing, but I'm of the opinion that it's smart to do what you can to prevent dumb sh#t from happening rather than take a long fall from your high horse.
At this point we know the climb isn't a bolt ladder and the shitters owe an apology for the shitting and chopping a route without the courage and respect to climb it.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Sep 15, 2011 - 05:22pm PT
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But they were doing a route different than all others that required hundreds of bolts.
Assuming that the WoS team did use hundreds of bolts and holes - I guess we'll know the facts quite soon - how does that make it different from say the Nose, Tis-sa-Ack, the WOEML, etc? (Earlier routes, as it happens.) Looking at it another way, once we know what actually happened, how will WoS stack up in terms of drilled holes, 'enhancements' and 'chiseled/trenched placements'/metre, as compared to other routes of the same period?
Whether or not the WoS team were 'worthy' to do a new route on El Cap, and regardless of their vertical camping style - again, nothing much new - the hard fact of how much drilling was done seems an objective measure.
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Sep 15, 2011 - 05:34pm PT
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To an extent the bullying was just a reaction to something that was long out of style, sieging. Just as if your kids went to school sporting the 80's preppy look today they'd be laughed at and heckled, applying Hardings methods of the late 50's and early 60's to a wall in the early 80's was seen as 20 years out of date.
Think about it, with enough time, anybody could drill their way up El Cap. And hence the following assumption would be, anybody that was on a route that long, had to be drilling their way up blank rock.
It sounds like the reality of the route is different than a mindless bolt ladder, but it appears the perception by many was that the route was just that.
Now, did El Cap need the protection of the bullies to keep her from becoming a multifaceted bolt ladder? I dunno, I figure such mind numming drudgery of pitch after pitch of hand drilling and bolting is self policing. It just isn't fun.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Sep 15, 2011 - 06:00pm PT
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These are posts of "Meaty" not "Meaty."
Not me Pete. My account was hacked years ago and that person is messing with my account again. I don't delete my posts.
Edit: Many posts from years ago in this thread were written by the person(s) that have hacked my account here. Weak!
Pete. If you look at the comments from many years ago even Fatty (i think) noticed and a few others saying "are there two meaty's??" and such. Many posts from back then I DID NOT write, same from the other day and the hacker deleted a few of them.
The fact is someone did make there way into my account and deleted posts including some from the other day, and made posts. But obviously you're just not bright enough to notice, so sad for you, f*#king moron.
I stand by what a write and that includes my feeling that I could care less what you think about me or anything else for that matter. You're full of hype and innuendo calling me a lunatic and expect what from that? Respect? You're just another supertopo wanker.
Pete, you sure are full of delusional speculations. Why do you always ask stupid questions full of insults and expect and answer.
Edit: Again, more speculation from you, I noticed someone making comments using my account years ago, so did many others you dim bulb.
And more delusional questions from you? Why am I not surprised?
How to you suppose one is gonna explain the actions of someone else hacking their account?
You're just being a fool, eh?
Ha, ha, ha! Not only do I know someone created another account, but someone also got my password for this account, used my e-mail, sent loads of dumb emails, posted tripe, and deleted those posts along with some of mine.....Russ.
Good bet it was the guy with the animal nickname.....Russ.
Funny how the dual account is now gone and this thread was scrubbed of all the posts years ago when some asked how it was possible another account was formed with exactly the same name, Meaty. Obviously an inside job, the only way that could've happened. Who scrubbed this thread?? Must be the cowards that just deleted their post under another phony handle "Meaty."..............COWARDS!!
EDIT: WOW! Looks like way more posts than I originally thought have been scrubbed. The WOS POS team has gone out of their way to revise history, One post from Werner that defended me is gone. Once he realized that Meaty was me and Randy Wenzel and the WOS chumps were accusing me of chopping and shitting he said it wasn't me that sh#t on the ropes, the cowards have removed that post and much much more. Clearly the WOS movie crew and revisionist historians are afraid of the truth. COWARDS!!!!!
So obviously they've gotta scrub the thread to revise history because of the upcoming movie: The Cricle Jerk of the Wannabes.
Sorry, no rest, especially for the wos pos team and their pals here on ST scrubbing this thread of many, many posts.
Looks like they're afraid of the truth that they've been using another account with my handle............COWARDS AND LIARS!!
Meaty, do you have multiple personality disorder? You want us to believe that for years you (Dr Jekyll) AND and your imaginary impostor (Mr. Hyde) "shared" the same account, with you making all the good posts and him making all the bad posts? And you want us to believe that in spite of all that, you were just too stupid to change your password, or contact the site administrators, or just get a new account?
And you are also claiming that there is an "inside job" by the "WOS team" where they have somehow hacked supertopo and are deleting posts, including your's and at least one of Werner's?
Did you hit your head falling out of a tree at a job site and become delusional? Have you been spending too much time stump grinding?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Sep 15, 2011 - 08:40pm PT
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Hey, most of us like to move quickly and climb in good style but we all have our moments when that does not happen. Do we deserve to be shat appon simply for moveing too slowly,climbing a line the locals did not think would go and not kissing the right arses?
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David Knopp
Trad climber
CA
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Sep 16, 2011 - 01:10am PT
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mimi i've only done one tiny route on el cap; i'm no big shot or player. but since neither of us have climbed Wings i guess we both have the same right to comment on the climb. the main thing i was really talking about is attitude-it is just so small minded and parochial, it seems so f*#ked to me-whenever i've climbed in new places people have been welcoming, friendly helpful. even in the valley. admittedly i am not new routing but still...
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Mimi
climber
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Sep 16, 2011 - 03:03am PT
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David, it was not a parochial knee jerk response. These guys were a sorry lot. They deserved nothing less. Actually, more would have been better to stop them from doing the route at all.
Riley, what page is that on? I don't recall that statement. They do claim at least seven (7) other parties tried to do the slab, but could not. I wonder who they were. I say BS, yet another lie about their ascent. And for people to compare this party to other early ascents of El Cap is embarrassing. So much for studying history. These guys do not compare to the other parties who had to deal with adversity as outsiders. Huge difference. These guys cannot be placed in the same category by a long shot.
Hudon, do you define yourself as a narcissist? Just wondering.
wos fans, I laugh in your general direction!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8yjNbcKkNY
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Mimi
climber
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Sep 16, 2011 - 03:20am PT
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Riles, there is absolutely nothing proud about anything these guys did.
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raymond phule
climber
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Sep 16, 2011 - 03:23am PT
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So what was so bad with their ascent?
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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Sep 16, 2011 - 03:44am PT
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About what tolman_paul said about style evolving, one of my first longish routes in Valley was the N Face of Middle. Must have been '86 or so. I think it was called a grade V in Roper's book, so us being careful and cautious, and not too well informed, we hauled a small pack. We got most of the way up, but then bailed and rapped down. One evening I explained this to Walt Shipley, probably after he explained a Southern Belle or Keeler Needle story to me. His eyes opened a bit, and he smiled, and said "you hauled on the N Face?...", but he left it at that, an uncharacteristically mild response. Later on I realized how ridiculous our approach to the route was.
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