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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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May 12, 2012 - 06:49pm PT
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yeah Werner, you have to admire the quality of their electronic traps that keep most of the inmates on this prison planet so stuck in the material world that they can't see anything outside of their line-of-sight and mental programming
Yes, perhaps to the very rich powerful and corrupt elite it would be too disruptive if we knew the full truth. -Klimmer
Yes, Klimmer, so I hope you are prepared to learn that some of your most cherished beliefs may be part of that deceit
I'm sure our US government knows the truth of the matter
i think that is highly unlikely
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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May 12, 2012 - 07:07pm PT
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We have met the enemy, and they are us! - Pogo
'Them vs. Us' ...the concept of otherness is at the root of all conflicts
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 12, 2012 - 07:10pm PT
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And you also have to admire those who make their living flipping bits and then leap off into the void casually leaving behind the very ideas that flip those bits.
P.S. You also just have to love the rabidly Pavlovian response to the word 'material' regardless of the context...
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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May 12, 2012 - 07:29pm PT
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Healyje, i respect your opinions and really wish your somewhat conventional views of the world could explain reality as neatly as you claim.
But you really haven't done enough homework to be blithely tossing off many of your comments. Like many firmly held views of reality, it only works when you ignore many instances of outlying unusual phenomena and claim there is no such evidence.
i make no claim to understand everything, not even close. I will only claim that i do not personally know of any coherent world view that stands up to careful scrutiny
and in my experience with people, even the most rigorous researchers on any subject will not claim to fully understand their subject, unless they require the psychological security blanket of insisting their world view is the one and only truth. these are the ones who have stopped their learning process and are just trying to bolster up their security blanket.
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian
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May 13, 2012 - 06:01am PT
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Klimmer what the government does not know the military does, to a greater degree. This is where the secrets are kept.
I like Tom's use of the term prison planet a theme when put to good use explains why earth is not a utopia . I first encountered the concept through Lou Baldins writing on ATS and his books "In League with a UFO" and "A Day with an Extraterrestrial"
Lots of imaginative ideas to explain life on this planet, the role of Extraterrestrials and levels of creators. His plasma cosmology stuff is cool too. The sun gives birth to planets. The moons bearers of water from the gas giants . Disk accretion theory is horsesh#t.
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jfailing
Trad climber
Lone Pine
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May 13, 2012 - 06:12am PT
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ok... so I'm watching Ancient Aliens as a back up program while there is a commercial playing on Billy the Exterminator.... who is the suave-ass dude with the unreal hair-do (or don't) and a Greek-ish name? Just what exactly is his deal??? Man I wish I had a wig like that going.
Russ - That dude went viral:
Check out more here: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ancient-aliens
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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May 14, 2012 - 10:26am PT
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i make no claim to understand everything, not even close. I will only claim that i do not personally know of any coherent world view that stands up to careful scrutiny
and in my experience with people, even the most rigorous researchers on any subject will not claim to fully understand their subject, unless they require the psychological security blanket of insisting their world view is the one and only truth. these are the ones who have stopped their learning process and are just trying to bolster up their security blanket.
Amen, the more you know, the more you know that nobody really knows
Peace
Karl
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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May 16, 2012 - 01:00pm PT
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http://spacecoalition.com/blog/mars-rover-back-on-the-prowl-for-more-science
unlike some here, i do think that there are US government entities who can keep big secrets. and more importantly big corporations
from the evidence of abundant published imagery around the solar system, i think it is safe to say that if there are big ships laying around out there, someone in positions of authority has high quality imagery of them
and there probably is a limitation on how long such could be kept under wraps
so do they?
i really do not know
my best guess would be:
probably not
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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May 16, 2012 - 04:13pm PT
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interesting, thanks
i have seen other similar studies indicating that EMF shielding is no simple matter
so quoting from my comments on the religion thread regarding things that might be affecting our brain wave patterns
So let's examine what might be influencing your experiment a little bit:
The room is bombarded with multi-spectral EMF; such as 60-cycle house current, radio waves across the entire spectrum from lab computers, the spectrum analyzer, video cameras, sound recording devices, fluorescent lights, smartphones, TV, radio, FAA RADAR, microwave communications, a microwave oven in the staff room, SATCOM, GPS, automobile engine controllers, etc
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 16, 2012 - 06:12pm PT
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Lol.
You guys are too funny.
Hey, however aluminum foil shielding does work for all cell phones though!!! Wrap your phone right now and try calling from another phone. No ringy-ringy and no answer.
If your worried "they're" listening in on you without you being aware, this can happen, FBI had to admit they have this capability in a court of law. Look it up.
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/08/wiretap?currentPage=all
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029-6140191.html
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/6/12/3957/14177
Yes, take the battery out, but then there might be a smaller battery inside that still allows it to function as a remote wire tap or tracking device whether you want it to or not. So take the battery out and then wrap it in aluminum.
But we can trust the gubment so no worries.
(Although Roger Waters had something else to say when he asked this question at The Wall concert, "Can we trust the Government? No _ _ _ _ ing way !!"
Food for thought, when one day they come kicking down the door.
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adi580
climber
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Jun 24, 2012 - 06:54pm PT
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Are you serious about Nasa confirming or denying this kind of info? 1. They are not the only ones to conduct space missions of this kind in fact I believe they are being kept out of it because of it's public attention . The ones that usually make this kind of missions ..well you probably never heard of them .They don't go public . 2 For now , nobody will confirm this kind of info because they do have the tech to erase everything that shouldn't be there and leave no trace of it , so it is very easy for them to say it's fake . 3 The only time they are going to confirm it is when they are going to use it against us , to scare as i.e. in a fake alien invasion . Remember everything , and I mean EVERYTHING they do/say is for their own agenda with no interest whatsoever towards the average citizen . Trolls and The common no-brainers don't believe this , don't want to believe this and I understand them , you do need some sort of intelligence in order to digest the reality. My condolences to them
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 6, 2012 - 12:21pm PT
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There was life on Mars, fossil remains prove it.
There is life on Mars contemporaneously right now. We proved that in 1976 with “The Labeled Release Experiment” designed by Dr. Levin, on the Viking Mission. Many, many other evidences we have at this moment all stack up and point to contemporaneous life right now.
Mars The Living Planet [Kindle Edition]
Barry E. DiGregorio and Dr. Gibert Levin (Authors)
http://www.amazon.com/Mars-The-Living-Planet-ebook/dp/B004QTOQLU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1341591223&sr=8-3&keywords=life+on+mars+levin
“It was in this book that astrobiologist/inventor Gilbert V. Levin first announced that his microbial detection instrument called the Labeled Release experiment aboard NASA's 1976 Viking Lander spacecraft found living microorganisms in the soil of Mars. So why isn't Levin among the most celebrated scientists in history?”
I have a hard copy of this famous book. I should get it autographed.
;-))
There is now a new addendum to Dr. Levin's book, that supports the finding of life on Mars in 1976 even more, just published in 2011:
The Microbes of Mars [Kindle Edition]
Barry DiGregorio and Dr. Gilbert Levin (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/The-Microbes-of-Mars-ebook/dp/B004QL6LPW/ref=pd_sim_kstore_1?ie=UTF8&m=AG56TWVU5XWC2
Richard Hoagland has been saying this for a long time …
The Curious Case of the NASA Crinoid Cover-Up
By Richard C. Hoagland
© 2004 The Enterprise Mission
http://enterprisemission.com/_articles/03-08-2004/crinoid_cover-up.htm
Coast to Coast Show 7/2/2012:
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/07/02
Now a new CD Book with many NASA images, even in R/B anaglyph 3D! Get your Read/Blue glasses on. Got to love that!! ;-)) (Lol)
A Fossil Hunter's Guide to Mars
by Sir Charles W. Shults III
http://www.shultslaboratories.com/AFHG2MPR.htm
Turns out Sir Charles is very accomplished (he is a Sir!) and has been a prolific guest on Coast to Coast:
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/shults-iii-charles/6327
Comments and Reviews
http://www.shultslaboratories.com/afhg2mcom.htm
"Sir Charles has done a stellar job in identifying fossils on Mars"
- Dr. David Livingston
Host of The Space Show
“There is no question that these are sand dollars- biological markings of not complex life but life, really life on Mars. I can see this very clearly, even with my two-dimensional vision.”
- Art Bell
Host of Coast to Coast AM radio
“I know that your findings are correct; I can’t think of any other reasonable explanation. Those are fossils, but to admit it is professional suicide!”
- Michael Fulton, PhD
Designer of NASA’s Deep Space One spacecraft power system
“Wow, to spend an hour with the man himself seeing the raw data - this is going to be the best book on Mars ever.”
- Dr. Charles Ostman
UN Science Advisor and Nanotechnologist
“This is hard evidence of water on Mars. Everything we have been told is wrong, Mars has water and weather just like Earth."
- Mike Hagan
Host of Radio Orbit
“Life on Mars today would definitely be underground where the water is.”
- Dr. Michio Kaku, PhD
Theoretical Physicist
"I highly recommend it. One of the best examples of a multimedia presented peer reviewable 'paper' on an arcane topic I've ever read."
- Keith Laney
Astronomical Image Processor
"Sir Charles' refutation of NASA's numerous obfuscations, which he does easily and severally, I found entertaining. In any event, for any with interest in the subject of past and/or present life on Mars, and demonstrable fossils thereof, 'A Fossil Hunter's Guide to Mars' is, in a word, groundbreaking. Unless I miss my guess, in future years this study shall be highly regarded, indeed. I'd buy it if I were you."
- Kenneth Johnson
Sand Point, Alaska
Looks good. I’m gonna order a copy.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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klimmer, you gotta get a little closer to the cutting edge.
there's a guy out there telling us that not only is there life on mars, but there's an illuminati boot camp there too, and barack obama been there, done that. do you think i'm making this up?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 6, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
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Tony point me to the link.
Obama at a Martian Boot camp?
Obama body surfs pretty good but come on even that makes me roll my eyes. Lol.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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klimmer, i've tried to carry on email discussions with you about this multi-ringed circus, but you never respond. frankly, i don't think ST is much interested any more. alfred webre is the strange figure involved--looks like a total flake, except that he was involved with the carter administration via stanford research, both noteworthy crossroads in ufo history.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2012 - 12:47pm PT
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Haven't seen this video before . . .
Interesting, but it would be nice if they cited and listed all resources. Just seems like a continual flow of thought. Seems like they mention new info, but where did all of this come from???
Aliens Come From Hell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF-F67OUEAw
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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