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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 12, 2011 - 12:21pm PT
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[quote]You Warmist's sound like such idiots denying the link between cosmic rays and cloud formation being modulated by the strength of the solar wind hitting Earths magnetic field.]
CC, f*#k you, you dipsh#t.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Sep 12, 2011 - 12:51pm PT
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dirt - seems you're holding on a bit to tight to the AGW theory. Reactions
like yours should be reserved to religious zealots confronting heretics.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 12, 2011 - 12:57pm PT
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No KKKorniss, I have little patience for dumbshits like you pushing ignorant crap in the face of a serious problem. But you're just a typical anti-science tea bagging twit. Yay Palin and Perry.
Hats off to Ed and others who can patiently debunk your propaganda, but I don't have the stomach for it.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 12, 2011 - 01:23pm PT
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Due to Australia enacting a new $23 per ton tax on CO2 emissions (Sept 2011)
their biggest steel corp Bluescope is downsizing drastically.
So business must overrule the ecosystem that we live in, right?
So many natural systems in decline, yet the only thing these fools believe in is Mighty Money.
Money money money. Is there anything else?
Now back on topic, and that is the science behind climate change. Keep the stupid politics out of the discussion and maybe you'll see something.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Sep 12, 2011 - 01:33pm PT
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great news for the agw faithful...al gore wants YOU to give him control of your facebook account:
http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2011/09/what-weve-all-been-waiting-for-al-gore.html
has it really been "30 years" since al gore started this rant? that would be the early 80s...just a few years after the hysterical "new ice age" theory that warned we'd all be living in a frozen wasteland by, er...the year 2000; but, i think al's original theory was that our impending doom would be through the "depletion of the ozone layer"...poor ozone, nobody pays any attention to you anymore...it's all co2 this and co2 that
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 12, 2011 - 01:38pm PT
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bookworm, have you read the link you posted? Just want to know in advance...
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 12, 2011 - 01:41pm PT
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LOL!
AGAIN!!!
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Sep 12, 2011 - 01:45pm PT
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dirt - when you and k-man look in the mirror think 'gullible'. Then admit you have a psychological processing malfunction that filters out information based on its source rather than its integrity.
The Gullible Mind Explained By Mike Adams
In light of the string of the blatant falsehoods being announced by the U.S.
government these days (FDA, DHS, White House, etc.) it's interesting that
so many people still believe whatever they are told by "official" sources.
It brings up the question of the functioning of their brains: How could a
person swallow official information so gullibly and so completely without
even asking commonsense questions about the reliability or factual basis of
that information?
http://mountzion144.ning.com/group/thetruthrevealed/forum/topics/the-gullible-mind-explained-by
Gullible Mind people do believe it is possible for a government (or institution) to lie; but they believe that governments, institutions and doctors choose NOT to lie even when it would serve their own self interests to do so.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 12, 2011 - 01:50pm PT
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What a dumfuk.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Sep 12, 2011 - 01:56pm PT
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I win again.
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Truckee , CA
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Sep 12, 2011 - 02:57pm PT
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I win again.
....at mental masturbation.
CC, king of the mental circle-jerk!
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Sep 12, 2011 - 03:10pm PT
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The peer review process is corrupt when considering papers on anthropogenic global warming. The leeway given to pro AGW papers is stark compared to the savaging that happens to papers questioning the party line.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Sep 12, 2011 - 03:18pm PT
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I posted this graph a while back, but have been updating it regularly. Indexes of Arctic sea ice volume (PIOMAS), extent (Uni Bremen) and area (Cryosphere Today, graphed below) all set new historical minimum records in the past week.
It is certain that a lower volume record will be set when September data are processed. Extent and area might decline further as well. The Arctic sea ice melt season generally turns around sometime in September. From today's MODIS Arctic mosaic, an image of shorefast ice breaking up along the NE coast of Greenland. Resolution for this image is 1 pixel = 250 meters.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Sep 12, 2011 - 03:26pm PT
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Detail from the 1 pixel = 250 meters image above:
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Jorroh
climber
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Sep 12, 2011 - 04:10pm PT
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Jeez Chiloe enough already with all that "research" and "work" that you're doing.
You're diluting all Cornice Choppers excellent reposting of important real climate research being done by the lawyers and accountants at the big oil, coal and energy companies.
Don't be distracted CC keep up the good fight. Without your help the little guys at Exxon and Peabody Energy Company (PEC) don't have a chance against this hugely powerful and well financed cabal of the worlds "scientists".
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 12, 2011 - 04:31pm PT
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I win again. -- CC
What, are you posting from the penny slots?
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Sep 12, 2011 - 04:34pm PT
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Jeez Chiloe enough already with all that "research" and "work" that you're doing.
Hah, I had already posted my weekend adventures to a climbing thread and a doggy thread, so I figured that bought me license to toss up another graph.
Really, what's been happening in the Arctic this year is impressive. The area graph above actually understates the changes. If Jim Overland is right, it's going to affect our weather this winter too.
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GOclimb
Trad climber
Boston, MA
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Sep 12, 2011 - 05:09pm PT
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Hey Chiloe,
I know it's not exactly your area of expertise, but your recent pic of all the broken up sea ice off Greenland got me thinking about the consequences of Greenland glaciers being un-stoppered at the sea, lubricated from below, and flowing into the sea.
What is your understanding of the current consensus around whether the North Atlantic Conveyor could be shut down by a massive glacier flow off Greenland? And how close, time-wise, are we from such an event, were it to happen?
For those of you unfamiliar with the Atlantic Conveyor, and what the consequences would be if it were to shut down (as it did once near the end of the last ice age) - it could drop temperature and rainfall drastically and almost instantly over Western Europe. The last time it happened, it put an ice cap over England in just ten years. See the following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas
Thanks!
GO
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Sep 12, 2011 - 05:28pm PT
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GO, the modelers now think a thermohaline shutdown is unlikely to occur anytime soon. I dunno if they're right, models tend to show gradual change rather than tipping points, but anyway that's what the smart folks are saying.
Latest research on the stability of big ice sheets suggests that Greenland is a little more stable than thought, but W Antarctica is less so. Both are losing a lot of mass right now, but W Antarctica has more structural potential to collapse.
The scariest scenario used to be THC shutdown but it now seems to be massive methane release, if warming surface waters (partly due to increased Arctic river runoff as the hydrological cycle has sped up) thaw subsea permafrost releasing clathrates from the Siberian shelf. One or more of the prehistoric mass extinction events (eg at the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum) might have involved a methane/greenhouse feedback.
Nobody knows when or if that sort of abrupt and irreversible event might happen. But meanwhile, we're poking the sleeping dragon with very sharp sticks.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Sep 12, 2011 - 05:42pm PT
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Lets see if I have this right:
Warmist's warn of a possible climate change that would kill a lot of people
if it happens and seek ways to prevent it allowing the worlds population to
continue to grow exponentially to the point where a lot of people will die
due to depletion of Earths natural resources.
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