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stmoose
Trad climber
Oak Park, IL
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Regardless of man's actions, how can a change in the concentration of a trace gas (CO2 < 0.2%) in the atmosphere control the whole climate of the earth?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Corniss, you demonstrate over and over, that you have the intellect of a child.
What a moron you are, this thread is about scientific climate change, yet you post some
crap about the President on this thread.
Are you SO damn stupid to not know to post that over my Republicans are Ignorant thread?
Grow up or shut up, the world is tired of your simpleton schtick.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Our "Obama kicks the EPA under the bus" party was fun.
Rumor is the EPA bureaucrats are very disappointed over in the
Ariel Rios Building to the extent that the sound of objects
being thrown against walls and angry shouting was common.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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bookworm - good article. Demonstrates how the warmists are in it for the money and the political power to control peoples lives.
Cosmic rays can't be taxed so the IPCC and Al Gore are trying to hinder research into their effect on making clouds in the Earths atmosphere.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2011 - 07:22pm PT
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"The result simply leaves open the possibility that cosmic rays could influence the climate," stresses Mr. Kirkby, quick to tamp down any interpretation that would make for a good headline.
... both Mr. Kirkby and Mr. Svensmark hold that human activity is contributing to climate change. All they question is its importance relative to other, natural factors.
I'm still waiting for the day that bookworm reads the articles that he references.
An oh that CC guy, what a card.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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An oh that CC guy, what a card
Kelly, you misspelled "tard"
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Meanwhile, out there in the physical world, Texas burns while Vermont rebuilds its roads. And,
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DrDeeg
Mountain climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Editor-in-Chief of Remote Sensing, journal that published the Spencer-Braswell paper, agrees the paper is fundamentally flawed and resigns.
Earlier in this blog, the paper by Roy Spencer and William Braswell, “On the Misdiagnosis of Surface Temperature Feedbacks from Variations in Earth’s Radiant Energy Balance,” received a lot of attention from us and even from Fox News. In Forbes, a column by a lawyer from the Heartland Institute pointed to the paper as evidence that the vast array of science on climate change was wrong. Roy Spencer did some great work on instrument development earlier in his career, but now believes that some sort of chaotic clouds at low altitude will increase Earth’s reflectivity and thereby ameliorate the CO2-induced warming. In my previous post, I pointed out some of the paper’s flaws, as have other scientists in various forums.
Now the editor of the journal has agreed, and on September 2nd he resigned. In his editorial, Professor Wolfgang Wagner of the Vienna University of Technology says the paper was reviewed by scientific experts that in hindsight had a predetermined bias in their views on climate that led them to miss the serious scientific flaws in the paper. He summarizes:
“In other words, the problem I see with the paper by Spencer and Braswell is not that it declared a minority view (which was later unfortunately much exaggerated by the public media) but that it essentially ignored the scientific arguments of its opponents. This latter point was missed in the review process, explaining why I perceive this paper to be fundamentally flawed and therefore wrongly accepted by the journal. This regrettably brought me to the decision to resign as Editor-in-Chief―to make clear that the journal Remote Sensing takes the review process very seriously.”
See the post in Forbes by Peter Gleick, president of the Pacific Institute, and a MacArthur Fellow.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2011 - 01:54pm PT
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It's not Al gore talking this time, but I'm sure the few deniers left standing will find a way to ostracize this character:
Ban Ki-Moon Talks Climate Change In Australia
Ban has repeatedly highlighted the issue of climate change during his South Pacific tour, which comes ahead of a major climate summit in Durban, South Africa, in November. Delegates from 193 nations will try to hammer out a global agreement to curb emissions of carbon dioxide and other gases that scientists say are behind climate change.
Seriously, how are we going to address this problem?
While we have folks screaming that implementing regulations to curb climate change will hammer our economies, look at the cost of not addressing this issue.
While it is difficult to directly tie recent weather disasters to climate change, there will come a time when the correlation cannot be ignored. The recent high-temperature records is one set of facts that can't be downplayed.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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FM blabbered:
It takes balls to do what Wagner just did...now, maybe some of the "skeptics" can sack up, admit their arguments are based on BS, AND SHUT THE FUKK UP!
Still waiting for any support from you for your contention that New Mexico had its warmest month on record by FIVE DEGREES.
So how about you SHUT THE FUKK UP or at least admit you like to make crap up that you can't back up?
I imagine the actual warmist "scientists" aren't quite as easy to debunk as you are, but you can't blame people for being skeptical when the warmists fanboys post such obvious BS, get called out on it, and then just go on pretending that nothing ever happened.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2011 - 02:52pm PT
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Great idea Rox! We just get God to turn down the Sun!!
Whew, I was worried about this stuff for a minute.
[/joking] ;-)
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DrDeeg
Mountain climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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stmoose:
The reason small concentrations of CO2 are important in Earth's radiation budget is that CO2 absorbs infrared radiation around the 15-micrometer wavelength, where water vapor does not. If the CO2 absorption bands coincided with water vapor's, then CO2 would have little effect.
If you do a radiative transfer calculation with any given atmospheric profile, you get emitted radiation at the top of the atmosphere. If you increase CO2 in that profile, you get less emitted radiation because of the absorption. Therefore, the radiation balance of that particular atmospheric column is out of whack. To get back to the same amount of radiation emitted, you have to warm the column.
If you look at similar columns over the whole Earth, and you compare the amount of absorbed sunlight to the amount of emitted infrared radiation (as the CERES instrument does, flying on three different satellites) you find that the absorbed radiation from the sun is about 2 Watts per sq m greater than the emitted radiation, averaged over the Earth.
Even if we stabilized atmospheric CO2 at the present level, Earth would warm for a few decades before getting back to steady state.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Sep 11, 2011 - 09:39pm PT
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Is Cornhole Chipper a registered member of the Cornwall alliance?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 11, 2011 - 11:13pm PT
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Meanwhile, it looks like winter has arrived in the Sierra.
A bit early?
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Sep 11, 2011 - 11:14pm PT
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Dr f - which don't you believe in? clouds? magnetic field?
solar wind? The AGW fairy?
Bad news from down under..
London, UK (PRWEB) September 09, 2011
Earlier this week, Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard confirmed that,
as of July 2012, the country's top polluters would have to pay $23 in
carbon tax for each emitted ton of CO2. The tax is expected to be in
effect until 2015, and to be replaced by a compliance carbon credit
trading scheme thereafter.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/09/09/prweb8780072.DTL
If those in charge of energy in AUS would change over to solar and wind
suddenly July 2012; ie no carbon power sources at all. Predict that after a few days of zero carbon emission black outs
Gillard and her government would be out of their jobs,
and things could get back to normal -coal power.
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