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Sid Mo
climber
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Sep 15, 2016 - 08:35am PT
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Maybe there's Kahlua in his cup.
That's one of the things I got hip to after the plane when we could afford luxuries.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 15, 2016 - 08:40am PT
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Sid, there are treatments for OCD.
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Sid Mo
climber
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Sep 15, 2016 - 11:59am PT
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Oh Reilly,
Really?
Can you recommend a doctor, perhaps one that helped you? I'd there's pills that can cure my ills I want 'em. I ran out of fuelsoaked buds a while back and haven't been right since. Can you meet me behind the Safeway after dark and share some of your meds? What do you take, Oxys or are Vicodins enough to sooth your nerves? Ill pay dearly - I'm still flush with airplane cash. Thanks so much for caring. You are indeed a good soul. Your parents must be very proud of their boy.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 15, 2016 - 02:15pm PT
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Can you recommend a doctor, perhaps one that helped you?
Sadly, no. I've learned to live with my obsession of putting my left boot
on first. It's been tough, but when it becomes overwhelming I just think
of Nancy Reagan and it passes. Besides, I don't think it compares with
being obsessed about some guy who is writing a book. That's just plain
weird. Prolly no treatment for that although you could try thinking of
Nancy Reagan.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 17, 2016 - 12:24am PT
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Sid mo...face facts. You were never there, your stories are nothing more than a repeat of those that were there. You've been out'd way too many times to make it worth anyone's while, much less mine. You'll not figure into the book unless you write your own. WHAO...maybe that's it....sid mo...why haven't you started on your own book. You've been there, you have the experience, you know the players............write your own damned book!
Ya think he can?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 17, 2016 - 08:01am PT
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(rubbing her hands) Come out, damned spot! Out, I command you! One, two. OK, it’s time to do it now.—Hell is murky!
-L MacBeth
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Denver CO
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Sep 18, 2016 - 11:18am PT
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The part of the story that's not funny is the death of Jack Dorn. Did this mystery ever get solved?
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 18, 2016 - 08:41pm PT
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Don....I think I have proven that Dorn died by mistake on his part. He did not have "help". I'll try to lay it out for you and others that believe he was pushed over the edge.
Dorn was asked to join the rescue at 3am by Craig Patterson when Patterson was assigned to put together a six man team to rescue two climbers. It was raining hard when the team started up the trail. For someone to have pushed Dorn off of the trail, he'd have to have 1) Known Dorn was going to be on this rescue, 2) sneaked up the trail in advance and take a hiding position 3) known which of the six in the rescue was Dorn 4) push Dorn off the trail and re-hide until the rescue was completed and sneak back down to the Valley undiscovered while a major investigation regarding Dorn's death was underway.
Some have said that Dorn was drunk the night before. The autopsy and toxicology reports showed no alcohol or drugs were in his system. He was straight arrow.
There was a formal investigation into Dorn's death and nothing came up that would lead anyone to think it was nothing less than an accident. Of course there are those that will claim that an investigation by the Feds proves nothing, but then again no one has enlisted the help of a private investigator to prove other wise. Its all we have to go on.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Denver CO
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Sep 19, 2016 - 07:20am PT
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That's good you were able to disprove the story that he was drunk. Were the people who investigated the death aware of his involvement in the airplane marijuana?
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chainsaw
Trad climber
CA
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Sep 19, 2016 - 09:05am PT
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Wow, nine years later and this blog is still dragging a dead horse around in a body bag.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Denver CO
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Sep 19, 2016 - 10:23am PT
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What was he thinking, to keep a drug dealer's address book? That may very well have been what did him in.
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kief
Trad climber
east side
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Sep 19, 2016 - 11:17am PT
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Tim Setnicka's report to the AAJ on the rescue operation the night Jack died says that two climbers became hypothermic after it began to rain when they were halfway up the first pitch above the Yosemite Point Buttress pedestal.
That was fairly soon after dark from the sound of it, though the time isn't specified. Several hours passed before the YOSAR team started up the falls trail, and Tim doesn't mention the rescuers hiking in rain or the trail being slippery. I was in the Valley that night too and I'm pretty sure that if it had rained for hours that night I would have wondered the next day if it contributed to Jack's death. Like Kevin, it didn't cross my mind. So my guess is that the rain lasted long enough to chill a couple of climbers who were outfitted mostly in cotton (and who were stuck because their rope jammed). But that doesn't mean it caused trouble for YOSAR.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 19, 2016 - 11:25am PT
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He didn't mention calling some of the numbers in the book and offering it for sale?
What else could have scared him? And how did he think they would know he had it?
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Denver CO
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Sep 19, 2016 - 07:11pm PT
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If a lot of people knew he had the address book, and knew him by name, it's not surprising it got back to the actual owners of the crashed marijuana. Any number of them could have tried to sell their airplane marijuana to the underworld, and tipped off some ruthless people.
But what could he do? No point getting rid of it, since the narcos would still think he had it. Going to the police would have meant going to jail. I think their real interest would have been in the address book itself. Presumably, it was never recovered.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 19, 2016 - 07:29pm PT
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Perhaps Ric can comment on just how many folks tried to bring up Jon Glisky's body without revealing too much.
The salvage crew found Glisky's body submerged in the cockpit. Courtesy Rick Schloss
and I suppose God was his Co-Pilot?
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 19, 2016 - 10:22pm PT
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The plane and bodies were recovered in June 1977. They'd been in the lake for months and not a pretty picture, but I have them. It was a salvage company out of San Jose that got the contract to haul out the plane. To my knowledge, no one else attempted to bring the plane out of the lake.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 20, 2016 - 08:09am PT
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Telling?
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chainsaw
Trad climber
CA
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Sep 20, 2016 - 02:26pm PT
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My neighbor was shot to death by his own brother, armed with an SKS assault rifle on Saturday Sept 17, 2016 in Linda Ca, Yuba county. According to the Appeal Democrat, the slaying was the result of an unconfirmed robbery or dispute about a marijuana grow. Furthermore, the authorities are saying methamphetamine was involved. The glamour and intrigue of marijuana fade quickly when considered against the backdrop of events like that, which occur all too frequently. The deceased is survived by his wife and three young children.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 20, 2016 - 03:13pm PT
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I've mentioned this type of thing before in this thread. A long time before 1977 two of my associates and a guy I didn't know went to prison for a death that occurred during a gone south drug deal.
One guy is out and living around the area. The other was himself killed as the result of another bad deal.
The third guy, I do not know about. My impression is that the two I knew put the murder on him.
This was back in the days when dealing wasn't nearly as dangerous.
Ric may yet document how 'good things' happened in the sorry tale at hand.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2016 - 11:05pm PT
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At least Chainsaw is consistent. His rants have never been confined to a straight line
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