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Escopeta
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Idaho
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Good lord, white people make up the majority of ANY candidates voters.
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nah000
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no/w/here
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HDDJ wrote: "Funny, since "white and affluent" describes Sanders' voting demographic far more than Clinton's."
maybe with the regard to the white part, but the affluent part appears to be mistaken. i didn't find anything that was states wide, but here is a ny times article specifically saying, as i would expect, that exactly the opposite is true and that clinton has had much stronger support, as a rule, than sanders has had, with the more affluent. while some of this has to do with hillary's appeal to the older set, a lot of it is just that she is a more conservative candidate, so of course the wealthy and more established are going to, as a rule, find her more appealing...
if i'm wrong, post up your source... as it stands, while this one article is based on only one state, i'd expect that you are just making things up to fit your own personal narrative...
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HighDesertDJ
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Escopeta posted Good lord, white people make up the majority of ANY candidates voters.
Barely. In 2012, only 55% of Obama's voters were white. Sanders skews far whiter and Clinton consistently does better in diverse states (which explains why New York, New Jersey and California broke hard for her). The point is that the idea that Clinton was nominated by " (white) latte liberals" sipping wine in their large California houses simply isn't true.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Encyclopedia...How old are you..?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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nah000 posted maybe with the regard to the white part, but the affluent part appears to be mistaken. i didn't find anything that was states wide, but here is a ny times article specifically saying, as i would expect, that exactly the opposite is true and that clinton has had much stronger support, as a rule, than sanders has had, with the more affluent.
Your article is a breakdown of the Iowa caucus.
Here is some analysis of all exit polls published April 24th.
Who Wins When Poor People Vote? The Answer May Surprise Bernie Sanders.
Hillary Clinton in general tends to actually do better among under-$30K voters than with the general Democratic primary voters, and as you can see, as a general rule, the higher the portion of under-$30K voters in the primary, the more Bernie Sanders is likely to lose and the more Hillary Clinton is likely to win (not in every case, but general trend-wise). For example, in Mississippi, the state with the highest portion of under-$30K electorate so far, where those voters comprised 39% of the Democratic primary electorate, Clinton won the state by a 66-point margin, but she won the lowest income voters by 71 points. In Michigan, Clinton won the under-$30K vote by 6 points despite losing the state by 2 points to Sanders.
From April 19th, Clinton wins in states with greater income inequality.
There are states in which Sanders won the under $50k or under $30k income brackets (like Iowa and Mass), but it also appears that this is because many of the low income whites, a demographic Clinton won handily against Obama, are supporting Sanders. It is true that the richest break for Clinton, but there are a lot of less of them than there are of everyone else. Clinton couldn't have one with the affluent vote alone.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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What Hillary Imagines, Gail Collins
Hillary Clinton. First woman presidential nominee.
Okay, of a major political party. We’re not going into the minor-party exceptions since that would require a lengthy discussion of Victoria Woodhull in 1872. Under normal circumstances, Woodhull would certainly be worth talking about, given the faith healing and the brokerage firm and the obscenity trial. But this is Hillary’s moment.
“It’s really emotional,” she said in a speech this week. Clinton brings up the first-woman thing a lot, and the idea of showing little girls that they can be “anything you want to be. Even President of the United States.” For many young women, that’s actually old news, since Hillary the potential president has been around most of their lives. Back when she was first elected to the Senate in 2000, the coverage was so omnipresent that my niece Anna, who was around 3, asked my sister whether it was possible for a man to be a senator.
The people who get most excited are the ones who remember how things used to be, back when girls couldn’t envision being in the Little League, let alone the White House. And can you imagine going back in history and sharing Clinton’s news with the suffragists? This is one of my favorite mind games – pretend you’re returning to 1872 and telling the story to Susan B. Anthony while she was being handcuffed for the crime of voting while female.
Or there’s the other route of telling some historical figure who would faint with horror. Like Thomas Jefferson – wouldn’t you want to see his face? We all know how good Jefferson was on freedom of speech, but he was possibly the worst sexist in the very competitive group known as the Founding Fathers. (“Our good ladies, I trust, have been too wise to wrinkle their foreheads with politics. They are contented to soothe and calm the minds of their husbands returning ruffled from political debate.”)
But Clinton wouldn’t want this to be a moment for rancor. So I asked for her own pick.
And her answer was: if she could go into the past to tell someone that she’d been nominated for President of the United States, it would be her mother.
Dorothy Rodham had an auspicious date of birth — June 4, 1919, the very same day the Senate passed a constitutional amendment giving women the right to vote. But otherwise, she had a terrible beginning. Her parents abandoned her. At 8, she was riding across the country, unaccompanied except for her younger sister, on the way to live with grandparents who didn’t want them. She went off on her own at 14, working as a housekeeper during the Depression. But she got herself through high school, was a good student and raised her own daughter to believe the sky was the limit.
Before we head off on the rest of this deeply imperfect election, take a second and enjoy. Imagine Hillary Clinton going back in time. She sits in the train next to a frightened little girl, and delivers the news about what happened this week.
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dirtbag
climber
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I'm stating the obvious, but it needs to be stated again: Bernie needs to step aside in the next few days. Not at the convention, not in a few weeks, but in a few days. Let him lick his wounds and mull it over: then, he needs to step aside, roll up his sleeves, and join the fight against Trump.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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as per HDDJ's post a couple back:
interesting... i don't see anything conclusive in either of those two articles you cited, as success in states with higher income inequality does not necessarily as a rule mean that bernie gets more support from the affluent than clinton... there is some mention in one article of some states having the <$30k demographic skew more heavily to Clinton than the overall vote, but unless I missed it, there is nothing more than anecdotal about the whole claim, as winning states with higher income inequality does not necessarily mean the affluent are less supporting of her. these are two separate measures that, while on the surface, common sense would expect them to possibly correlate [and they very well may correlate] but are not by any rule that i'm aware of necessarily equivalent...
that said, it is partial evidence that my assumption might be wrong... to throw more partial evidence on the other side, here is polling data showing that clinton won more of the most affluent counties in each state that had voted at the point of the article writing, than bernie did...
while i'm not willing to concede the idea that the "affluent describes Sanders' demographic far more than Clinton's" based on the partial evidence that you've so far shown, i will admit that it is likely more of a wash than i would have expected... interesting.
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dirtbag
climber
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Wow, that is incredibly powerful.
Indeed, I just read that.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Bernie needs to...roll up his sleeves, and join the fight against plutocracy.
Fixed that for you!
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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And Kleptocracy! Oh wait, wrong guy, Kleptocracy is what he's advocating for.
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dirtbag
climber
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First things first, Gary. Trump first.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"“Our good ladies, I trust, have been too wise to wrinkle their foreheads with politics. They are contented to soothe and calm the minds of their husbands returning ruffled from political debate.”
It is astounding, the kind of misogynistic crap that comes out of the minds of fundamentalist muslims.
Wait....my bad....that's actually a quote from Thomas Jefferson.
And you Repubs wave him around like a flag?
Makes total sense now.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Escopeta And Kleptocracy! Oh wait, wrong guy, Kleptocracy is what he's advocating for.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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I'm a victimized white guy I'm a victimized white guy I'm a victimized white guy I'm a victimized white guy I'm a victimized white guy I'm a victimized white guy I'm a victimized white guy
Fixed that for ya
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Kleptocracy is what he's advocating for.
It's too bad you don't realize who the real thieves are.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Yeah, its too bad.
Too bad you don't have a clue for what the solution is.
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