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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 1, 2010 - 12:21pm PT
TE Lawrence's observation on the Saudi Wahabists still seems to hold.

It was a natural phenomenon, this periodic rise at intervals of little more than a century, of ascetic creeds in central Asia. Always the voteries found their neighbors beliefs cluttered with inessential things, which became impious in the hot imagination of their preachers. Again and again, they had arisen, had taken possession, soul and body, of the tribes…the new creeds flowed like the tides or the changing seasons, each movement with the seeds of early death it its excess of rightness.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100401/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_saudi_witchcraft
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Apr 2, 2010 - 06:15pm PT
Fatty, perhaps you should give it a rest today, on a day that's holy to at least two of the three Mosaic faiths, and symbolizes something very different from your nihilistic, zero-sum, violent world view.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Apr 2, 2010 - 06:18pm PT
Palestinian cowardice on the battlefield:

This is from the guy that wants only the best peaceful outcome for all parties?
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Apr 3, 2010 - 12:42pm PT
Anders that was beautiful.


Bruce good juxtaposition.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Apr 3, 2010 - 01:32pm PT
Well, there are the Christian holy days, but let's not forget the Jewish ones. Isn't it called Passover, a holy day shared by Judaism and Christianism, and for all I know Islam - which pays some heed to the beliefs and observances of the other two faiths?

Anyway, despite how keen the old testament is on smiting, maiming and other atrocitires, maybe a good idea to pass over (so to speak) talk about such things for a few days.
Douglas Rhiner

Mountain climber
Good question?!?!?!?!?
Apr 3, 2010 - 01:34pm PT
Jeff,

With answers like that, from you a jew, it is no wonder jews have been persecuted over the millennia.
Have some respect, man.
Talking smack about a religion and one of its more sacred days is way un-cool.
Does no one any good.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Arid-zona
Apr 6, 2010 - 03:09pm PT
So the lesson is that rape is ok if the victim is then further victimized by their own culture?
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Apr 6, 2010 - 03:23pm PT
pictures of a true climbing clash here: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=867676&tn=0&mr=0
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I can't believe I got on the front page of this thread and wasted my post. Damn.

fattrad said on - Oct 1, 2009 - 09:35am PT
Here is a nicely written article about Iran's true intentions:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704471504574442561260582286.html

President Obama has about eight weeks to get Iran to stop all development or Israel will strike.

opps, missed that prediction !
Binks

Social climber
Apr 6, 2010 - 03:28pm PT
The clash of civilizations has been canceled. It was a socialist entitlement program we can no longer afford. The government encourages private investors to take up the cause of a sequel if they find such a proposition in their interests, but no further tax money will be allocated to future programming of this nature.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Apr 7, 2010 - 06:45am PT
barry decides "man-caused disasters" to be unsuitable (sorry Deepak) for the WAR on TERROR; new strategy involves "countering violent extremism" or CVE if you're really hip:

“The primary goal of countering violent extremism is to stop those most at risk of radicalization from becoming terrorists. Its tools are noncoercive and include social programs, counter-ideology initiatives, and working with civil society to delegitimize the Al Qaeda narrative and, where possible, provide positive alternative narratives.” He added, “We are working hard to develop a variety of CVE programs.”


well, if there's one thing barry knows about, it's "social programs"; not that any of them have ever worked, but who better to lead the way than our admittedly failed community-organizer-in-chief? i am curious to know who fits barry's idea of "civil society"...i know it's not the tea partiers because they're all racists and haters; i bet barry means his friends from chicago

anyway, i'm especially intrigued by the "counter-ideology initiatives" and "positive alternative narratives"...i mean, once you gather these "at risk" homicide bombers who dream of 72 virgins awaiting them in the afterlife, what exactly can you say to pursuade them that maybe murdering infidel babies and women and senior citizens isn't conducive to "civil society"?

wait, as i recall, there is this story about a guy who tried to pursuade everyone to love each other and treat others the way we want to be treated and to help the poor and sick and to forgive people who hurt us and...oh, wait, we nailed that guy to a cross...and, i think i heard recently that such talk would be "imposing" our ideas on others, which we all know is the greatest evil and probably qualifies as torture under barry's doj so it doesn't fit the goal of "non-coercive" methods
Douglas Rhiner

Mountain climber
Good question?!?!?!?!?
Apr 7, 2010 - 11:40am PT
bookworm,

You must work for Fox news.
Got the taking points down pat.
Even the vernacular down to a "T".
Douglas Rhiner

Mountain climber
Good question?!?!?!?!?
Apr 7, 2010 - 01:44pm PT
Israel will protect us as long as the US keeps subsidizing her....

By the way, can't Israel stand on her own?

No.
Douglas Rhiner

Mountain climber
Good question?!?!?!?!?
Apr 7, 2010 - 02:14pm PT
We're talking about Israel's existence here, Jeff.

Without the 4 billion Israel would not exist. Period.
Douglas Rhiner

Mountain climber
Good question?!?!?!?!?
Apr 7, 2010 - 04:12pm PT
Jeff,

Israel, without an infusion of 4Bill a year, would not survive much after she blew her wad in self defense.
Face it jeff. Israel on her own would be a non-starter.
Without Uncle Sam she is no better or worse than the nations around her.
Douglas Rhiner

Mountain climber
Good question?!?!?!?!?
Apr 8, 2010 - 12:44pm PT
Nothing like holding on to traditions that are thousands of years old, the goal of fundamentalist Judaism, keep women as second class citizens.....sounds familiar......

Under Israel's Divorce Laws, Men Get The Final Word

.....even though life expectancies are much shorter when you get scammed.

Six Israelis Suspected In Organ Trafficking Ring

Jeff,

Things will get better if people begin to realize that fundamentalism in all it's forms is not all that it is cracked up to be, even if the epiphany comes one person at a time.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Apr 8, 2010 - 02:06pm PT
$40 a barrel for oil?

What comic book were you reading for this one? Add an additional 0 to that 40 when Israel attacks Iran, could be $700 a barrel.

And you manage other clients’ monies accounts. Man! Good thing I do not ask for your financial advice.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Apr 8, 2010 - 02:24pm PT
Fattrad

Now I get it. Has nothing to do with Iran having nukes.

How much stock do you have with Halliburton.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Apr 8, 2010 - 02:36pm PT
How many of those positions are code for doggy?
Douglas Rhiner

Mountain climber
Good question?!?!?!?!?
Apr 8, 2010 - 10:38pm PT
Jeff,

Bibi is probably trying to avoid personal public embarasement.

[url="http://www.jpost.com/Home/Article.aspx?id=172707"]Netanyahu cancels trip to DC Nuclear Security Summit

The move came amid US warnings that Turkey and Egypt plan to lead a motion demanding that Israel open its nuclear facilities for international inspection[/url].

And that is from the Jpost!

With neighbors all around expressing concern regarding Israels Nuclear Arsenal there is no way he'd face those issues in-person.
He'd be in a position of total exposed weakness.
If Turkey and Egypt truly keep pressing the issue Bibi could be in for one wild ride.
Douglas Rhiner

Mountain climber
Good question?!?!?!?!?
Apr 9, 2010 - 11:36am PT
Jeff,

And that right there is the problem.
The government of Israel does not want to join the rest of the world and "play by the rules".
Yet the government of Israel want every rule to be applied to everyone else.

Which is the antithesis of a democracy.
Special rules for one segment of society.

You do believe and favor democracy, don't you Jeff?
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