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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Tomtom, I'm celebrating Bachar and what he meant to all of us who knew him and/or, were/are effected by what he did in the climbing realm and in his life! Viva El Bachar
Peace
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Independence is a good thing, a thing climbing fosters.
i HAVE NO ARGUMENT,,,,,
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Perhaps John, wherever he is, is looking on this with that sly grin of his, thinking "Yep, got them thinking, again. That worked good." He did sometimes like to stir up a debate.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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My 4th of You Lie 2010
Peace
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Bump for Bachar today!
Peace
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426
climber
Buzzard Point, TN
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/salute
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rincon
Trad climber
SoCal
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Remembering Bachar this 4th of July weekend in 2011.
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climbbjj
Social climber
Tahoe
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RIP Bachar. A force of nature. An inspiration.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Bachar was as about as independent as they come. Something to consider on Independence day. Amazing.
Take care all.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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The practice of Indian massacre's by native Americans upon neighboring enemy tribes was such a successful tactic that Europeans adopted it quickly.
Sneak attack usually yield good results i.e. SWAT entry.. etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_massacre
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Classic blue, not thinking about anything, and generally being himself, all over agin.
"Jul 4, 2009 - 12:30pm PT
bachar, it's sad to see you turn into a commie, anti-AmeriKan.
we are so screwed as a country with this crap and Bachar going Red on us."
- Recently, in my job (working for a money hungry multi-billion dollar corporation) I have had the opportunity to speak with two different Native American women.
They had every right to be angry (in my opinion) from the problems that had occurred with a move.
Both women seemed more than real to me. Better than my usual "American" female encounters in that there was no pretentious, self important attitude (like many of us Americans seem to carry around with us everywhere.
I had to stop and wonder what was so threatening to those Europeans, English, and early Americans to have to decide to force the Native Americans onto reservations all across the central north and southwestern United States?
It's sad when one knows America could be a whole lot better, for all
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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That's downright unpatriotic, DMT...you should get stoned for that.
Ok, I'll get stoned.
Wakenbake!!!!
Breakfast at Wimbledon!!!!!
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK
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Happy 4th. Bachar lives on in so many ways.
It is not at all patriotic to ignore the terrible crimes our nation has perpetrated and pretend we have only done great things. Both are key parts of our history and legacy.
Have a great weekend. I'm stoked.. heading to Toulumne tomorrow AM. Great climbing, swimming and I got my ribs already marinating for barbecuing at Tenaya lake.
:)
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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"PS: If anyone here has ever personally witnessed the event below, they would clearly understand my post. Nothing else on this planet comes close to it..... nothing I tell ya. Happy B-Day America!"
God bless high explosives........
Google "nits make lice" or "Hiram Bigtooth Gregory" in regards to the Cherokee. May help round out your view! Warning......it ain't a happy story.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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R.I.P. bachstar!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Rest in peace, John, you are missed. This thread is really weird. It's the last time I chatted with John, and also when the dreaded news of his accident became reality.
Sad stuff, but I think John wouldn't mind me saying;
God bless America!!!
EDIT: Awesome post, Chief! That pic defines the word, 'awesome'.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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PS, that pic from Chief is the visual representation of violence, nothing more...
To me it's just as beautiful, in many regards, as the 'artist endeavors' posted earlier.
Both are beautiful in their proper perspectives. Go ahead, call me a hater or a war-monger, I'm used to it....
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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That picture of the battleship is impressive and is also a symbol of the Pentagon nanny state which in some cases is nothing more than American Imperialism foistered on the American taxpayers..Got anymore overused patriotic cliches Chief...?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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That sounds exactly what my cousin, who graduated from West Point in May, said he spent the last four years studying.
That, and engineering.
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426
climber
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I dunno bluey et al, I think you might have missed the OP: point
Bachar:
"The 4th of You Lie" by Jimmie Beason (Osage/Mvskoke)
Every year on the 4th of You Lie (July), patriotic Americans engage in
their multiple colored foray of pyromania by blowing up fireworks to
celebrate the birth of the United Snakes.
This is appropriate as it's a metaphor for Indigenous genocide. The fuse of
colonization was lit and exploded with Manifest Destiny and conquest
ripping through OUR freedom; a true Freedom that existed for thousands of
years before the European invasion of our continent.
Amerikkka's policies toward us have done nothing to help, only to destroy.
Treaties were made and signed with the "utmost honor" only to be broken. In
1492, it is estimated that 5 million Native people inhabited the Western
Hemisphere. By the 1800's our population was reduced to 600,000. At the end
of the 19th century--250,000.
//Looks like a lot of folx didn't click the linky Bachar posted anyhoo; here's the rest...
Hardy patriots who support Amerikkka, claim this country to be the epitome
of "freedom."
But can a country that took the land and freedoms of Indigenous people
boast about "freedom" and how to attain it? Can a country that is built on
thievery, the enslavement of 11 million Africans, resource exploitation and
broken treaties be a beacon of hope?
It becomes apparent that any kind of Independence on the part of "brown"
people was not achieved, but merely turned into a gushing wound wrapped in
legislative band-aids by haughty European-Americans hoping to silence us.
In Iraq and Afghanistan, there our Native brothers and sisters who claim
they are fighting and dying for "freedom." Meanwhile, everyday the State
and Federal governments are seeking ways to continually restrict our status
as Indigenous people--diminishing our rights in our own lands.
It should be noted that everything about their so-called civilization has
nearly destroyed who we are. If we still maintain our ways, it is hanging
on by a thread and threatened to be cut by Christianity.
As a foreign occupying force, the United States retains no legitimacy as a
governing entity and neither do the States. The question is, in what ways
do we prove that? One way is to seriously question their institutions from
religious, to educational to legislative. Then hard work within the
community, creating our own agenda and ignoring their agenda. So on this
4th of July (You-Lie), resist the urge to light some fireworks, because
every explosion and shiny burst represents a Native life snuffed out by
Amerikkka's "independence."//
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