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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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May 19, 2009 - 08:47pm PT
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Does that gadget come with a manual?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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May 19, 2009 - 10:48pm PT
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Does that gadget come with a manual?
You don't need a manual for the top unit, and even with a manual you'll never understand the bottom one, so...
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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May 19, 2009 - 11:04pm PT
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> Which is it?
Neither. Susan's point is just that "it's harder than you think" for SFs to find a climbing partner.
She is not saying that SFs are treated unfairly or that it is harder for them than for SMs.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Mill Valley, CA
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May 19, 2009 - 11:53pm PT
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Sorry for my thread drift of your thread, Sooze. Jeez, I am apologizing a lot these days...
I wish I had a manual for me...
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
North of the Owyhees
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May 19, 2009 - 11:58pm PT
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Don't we all......
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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May 20, 2009 - 12:50am PT
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"Susan's point is just that "it's harder than you think" for SFs to find a climbing partner."
For her to make that point she'd have to know how hard I think it is!
"She is not saying that SFs are treated unfairly or that it is harder for them than for SMs."
So what is her point? How hard does she think it is?
Both of her examples disappeared. First this happened: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=861520&tn=0
Then the woman on Mountain Project found a partner within a few hours. What does that prove?
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WBraun
climber
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May 20, 2009 - 01:04am PT
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"Susan's point is just that "it's harder than you think" for SFs to find a climbing partner."
It's true. I used to walk up to strangers all the time and ask if they want to do such and such a route.
They would always look at me in a weird way and suddenly run away.
But the Females would always volunteer.
They got more balls .....
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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May 20, 2009 - 01:05am PT
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>> "Susan's point is just that "it's harder than you think" for SFs to find a climbing partner."
> For her to make that point she'd have to know how hard I think it is!
"it's harder than you think" was not meant to refer to one specific person (such as graniteclimber), but to climbers as a population. It's a statistical observation. I don't have any survey results, but I do agree with the observation myself (that there is a perception it is easy for a SF to find a climbing partner, but in reality there are a lot of complications that block the climbing partnering process a good portion of the time).
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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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May 20, 2009 - 01:44am PT
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single female climber looking for jackass loudmouth sex addict with poor belay skills for Memorial Day Weekend 15 pitch backcountry route with 6 hour approach of steep 4.15d. Emotional immaturity a plus. Obesity a plus. don't worry about anything, I will take care of it all.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Mill Valley, CA
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May 20, 2009 - 01:53am PT
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Wait a second, graniteclimber, there were other examples of my difficulties with finding other male climbers to compatibly climb with in the post I made really early in this thread. None of those difficulties revolved around my email ineptitude/electronic karma. And other women in this thread have spoken to the difficulties, not just me or the woman on the other forum.
But I am not interested in bashing men. I still think Locker is right when he wrote that compatibility is hard to find, across gender.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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May 20, 2009 - 02:07am PT
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""it's harder than you think" was not meant to refer to one specific person (such as graniteclimber), but to climbers as a population. It's a statistical observation."
So exactly how hard do "climbers as a population" think it is? And who is in this "population"? You say you don't agree with the supposed opinion of the "population;" I don't agree; Locker doesn't agree. Who does agree?
It's a straw-man.
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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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May 20, 2009 - 02:14am PT
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granite?? are you female?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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May 20, 2009 - 02:17am PT
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"there were other examples of my difficulties with finding other male climbers to compatibly climb with in the post I made really early in this thread."
Yeah-the same difficulties that anyone has in finding climbing partners. Why this is being put in "single female" versus "single male" I'm not sure.
Why do you talk about my difficulties with finding other male climbers?" Are you looking for a climbing partner or a boyfriend? Both?
It's never easy for anyone to find an ideal climbing partner, but the difficulty of finding a perfect "mate" (as in lover) is so common that it's a cliche--no one thinks that is easy in the "climbing population" or otherwise! Finding someone who is the ideal climbing partner and the perfect mate... that's even harder.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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May 20, 2009 - 02:18am PT
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If you, I and locker agree, then I'm not sure what all the questions are about. (i.e. "how hard", "what population", etc.)
I bet we also agree that there are some ambiguities in the original phrasing of the problem which make us wonder what the question is really about. But if we agree that it's not easy to find a climbing partner if you are a SF, then we agree with Susan on the basic question.
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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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May 20, 2009 - 02:20am PT
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uh oh.. you guys MAY be the reason this thread got started..?? hmm?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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May 20, 2009 - 02:32am PT
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OK, Lucky, I'll bite.
Like we say: the climber guy either wants to get in your pants, or wants to tell you how to climb whether he knows anything about it or not, wants to insist on his own strategies because he is basically sexist and only comfortable when feeling superior, expects a climbing maid both on the route and off, is not honest about his abilities, just wants to run the show or be greatly admired. Or says he wants to climb and ends up lounging on the first pitch and claiming stress injuries, whines about the dark or the approach or whatev, sometimes sternly, to make his manly point.
So this isn't about how hard it is to climb with a male, it's how hard it is to climb with a male that you like.
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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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May 20, 2009 - 02:40am PT
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granite .. you are entering into some granite-headed thoughts here..
actually my best partners are men who entirely fit the qualifications and then some more.. number 1's on Melissa's list which is right on btw.
so.. I take it you are NOT female.. in that case, unless you are out cross dressing, what shrivel of experience of this situation could you possibly have, from which to send this Pundi-tood?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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May 20, 2009 - 02:51am PT
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"actually my best partners are men who entirely fit the qualifications and then some more.. number 1's on Melissa's list which is right on btw."
Yes, the people (male or female) who are just looking for ACTUAL climbers, actually find them.
I agree that Melissa's list was right on. She also said she didn't understand the point of OP, and I don't either.
What's a Pundi-tood?
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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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May 20, 2009 - 02:56am PT
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it's the opinion of a Pundit with an attitude..hahah cute huh
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susan peplow
climber
www.joshuatreevacationhomes.com
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Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2009 - 03:41am PT
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Good grief, Had I known my original post would be under such analysis and scrutiny I would have put more effort into it.
The thread conception happened while MisterE and I were talking about successful relationships. We are both thankful that we have partners in life that are partners on the stone. Our tailgate cocktail hour yielded two topics of interest.
1)Men who date women who don't climb and find their climbing career "done".
2)Women who have a difficult time finding available males to date that climb.
I'm going to assume that we all agree there are more male climbers than female. So, based on this assumption women are less likely to find a woman partner.
So the thread topic is discussing the difficulty of finding a male partner. This male climbing partner does not have to be of romantic nature.
Now consider the difficulties of normal issues. Issues that effect everyone that is looking for a partner (i.e. location, personality, schedules, family obligations, etc)
So now you've found someone who's personality is pleasing, they live nearby and their schedule works around yours.
Do they want to climb as much as you do?
Is there skill-set complementary to yours?
Are they interested in the same type of climbing?
Are they in a dedicated monogamous relationship? If so, will climbing with you (being a girl) be a problem for the significant other?
If the significant other is okay with the climbing relationship....will this guy honor his romantic relationship and keep the climbing platonic?
It just seems to me and many of the women who have chimed in on this topic that it is difficult to find partners.
Not to say that guys don't some problems too. But chances are when you go away with Jim Bob Climber or Bigwall Joe for the weekend, I doubt the wife asks much about the bivy arrangements.
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