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graniteclimber
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Nowhere
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Dec 30, 2008 - 02:13pm PT
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"The Palestinian Authority and the large majority of Palestinians have already conceded Israel's right to exist. They have done so repeatedly and unequivocally in front of the world."
The PA has done this, but not Hamas. Hamas went to war against the PA over this. Hamas has repeatedly and unequivocally called for the annihilation of Israel.
The war in Gaza is against Hamas, not the PA.
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Chaz
Trad climber
Boss Angeles
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Dec 30, 2008 - 02:13pm PT
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Palestinian Gaza should find other trading partners besides Israel.
What's Egypt do for stuff like insulin?
Perhaps a stockpile of insulin should have established before launching rockets?
Or, better yet, simply spend the rocket-money on insulin.
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UncleDoug
Social climber
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Dec 30, 2008 - 02:16pm PT
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"Palestinian Gaza should find other trading partners besides Israel. "
Tough to do when Israel has a blockade on all of your borders.
Egypt will do nothing so it does not put into jeopardy the treaty it has with Israel regarding the Sinai and especially the border with gaza.
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Chaz
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Boss Angeles
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Dec 30, 2008 - 02:18pm PT
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How does Israel blockade the Egypt-Gaza border?
Rocket parts and explosives have no problem running this blockade. Shows where Palestinian priorities are.
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UncleDoug
Social climber
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Dec 30, 2008 - 02:21pm PT
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Sorry about that.
Did not finish a thought and then picked up on another sentence. Good catch!
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Chaz
Trad climber
Boss Angeles
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Dec 30, 2008 - 02:26pm PT
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I don't really care if the Big Cockroach kills the Little Cockroach, or if they just fight it out for another 60 years.
But some things just don't make sense, like a shortage of insulin in Gaza but no shortage of rockets.
Curious really.
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UncleDoug
Social climber
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Dec 30, 2008 - 02:30pm PT
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Chaz,
I can, from the stuff in my print shop, build a rocket that could easily hit downtown Reno from where I'm at, about 5 miles away. And that is without metal parts!
Now Isolating Insulin would be a challenge.....
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Dec 30, 2008 - 02:39pm PT
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Chaz you are wrong! Nothing gets into Gaza UNLESS Israel approves it. Which is why more than a million people don't even have BREAD! The "terrorist" tunnels that Israel is so hot on destroying are mostly used to get in what little food and medicine there is. Yes of course weapons also follow the same route. But regarding these uber sophisticated rockets you all are so up in arms about I can go into my garage and produce virtually the same weapon with materials and supplies from my business.
And like those world class weapons systems it wouldn't even reach my kids high school. And it would have less explosive force or destructive capacity than an average hand grenade. I could build it in a couple of hours. You know the American military was thoroughly befuddled by the Vietnamese capacity to create endlessly evolving home made explosives. They made these with anything they could find including unexploded US ordinance. We bombed them into the stone age and they kept coming back more determined than ever.
If you really think the Palestinian priority is murdering Jews and that they would rather spend what little money they have on rockets rather than feeding their children then you are not only sadly misled but sick as well.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 30, 2008 - 02:41pm PT
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Plus you can't store insulin for years and years. Isn't it only good for a few months?
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UncleDoug
Social climber
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Dec 30, 2008 - 02:43pm PT
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John,
Good point.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Dec 30, 2008 - 02:50pm PT
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Those horrible Gazan rockets don't have the same explosive power of the hundreds of thousands of illegal and unexploded cluster bomblets left behind by Israel on their Ill fated invasion of Lebanon. Ask the hundreds of kids who have been maimed or crippled for life because the stumbled upon these inhumane evils. You cant ask the dozens of dead children though their parents may have a few words to share.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Dec 30, 2008 - 03:30pm PT
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" left behind by Israel on their Ill fated invasion of Lebanon"
Why did Israel invade Lebanon in 2006? Ill-fated, would you prefer a more 'successful' invasion next time?
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Chaz
Trad climber
Boss Angeles
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Dec 30, 2008 - 03:34pm PT
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So what was the point behind Hamas firing a bunch of rockets at Israel again?
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Dec 30, 2008 - 04:07pm PT
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Wow Blue six whole people. That's such a holocaust! So you have been ignoring the news out of Gaza because so many Jews are suffering is that it.
Israel invaded Lebanon, killed and maimed untold numbers of innocent civilians destroyed tens of millions of dollars worth of infrastructure and got their own noses bloodied beyond their wildest fears. Why? Because in response to regular Israeli targeted assassinations and kidnappings, two IDF soldiers were taken captive. Two Soldiers! Was it worth it? Did they ever get their soldiers back?
In their arrogance the IDF believed they were infallible and undefeatable. When their poorly thought out and executed campaign ground to a stand off they realized the could lose this one. So they beat a hasty retreat leaving tons of illegal bomblets as child killing landmines behind. The IDF was and is embarrassed that all their vaunted power couldn't subdue a rag tag bunch of rag heads in the desert. Now the rest of the world knows that Israeli might is not omnipotent. The Israelis can be defeated and they know it adding to their desperation to appear victorious in Gaza no mater what the cost. Too bad they were not forced to pay reparations to Lebanon. Then they might understand how much "at any cost" costs. But they got off with out any recriminations. Why? US veto power in the UN! We will pay for them to do what ever they want regardless of how horrendous the outcome. Why? Why should we pay for Israeli war crimes when we can barely afford to pay for our own?
Is the cost/benefit analysis of our unilateral commitment to Israel really that wonderfully beneficial to us that we can cast away our moral obligation to the rest of the world?
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Chaz
Trad climber
Boss Angeles
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Dec 30, 2008 - 04:12pm PT
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See what kind of *change* Obama brings.
I'm betting zero.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Dec 30, 2008 - 04:27pm PT
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Philo, you keep telling us how harmless these 'toy rockets' are and that the Israeli respone to barrages of rockets is unjustified. Bullshit! Once again you show yourself to be a lying propagandist.
The rockets DO kill and they DO harm people.
Israel has a duty to respond to those people launching the rockets, it's the primary function of gov't...protecting it's citizens from attack.
Hizbullah started the Lebanese conflict and you damn well know this. They killed 6 border patrol guards and the 2 they kidnapped I believe were just recently returned to Israel IN COFFINS, during a 'prisoner exchange'.
Stop perpetuating your lies. Some people see through your BS.
Oh, and if Israel is such a well known aggressor and a murderous bully, why would Hamas fire fockets into Israel and give Israel an excuse to re-invade Gaza?
Didn't Israel just evacuate Gaza and tear it's own citizens from their settlements to give back an 'occupied' area? Geez, maybe the Israelis should re-occupy it. They had fewer rocket attacks then.
The militant Palestinian is a dying breed. They are too stupid to survive, I'm sorry to say. They keep pushing Israel to go back and re-occupy everything they've given up. How smart is that?
Here's the start os the Lebanon conflict...(this is after Israel PULLED OUT of Gaza and OUT of Southern Lebanon)
2006 July 12: Hizbullah launches its Operation Truthful Promise, in which rockets were sent from areas in southern Lebanon under their control, into Israel. Hizbullah soldiers kidnaps two Israeli soldiers and kills another 3, all being part of a routine patrol along the border. Five more soldiers were killed by a land mine, when trying to rescue the two abducted soldiers. Hizbullah leader, Hassan Nasrallah, stated that the only way of returning the two kidnapped soldiers, was through a prison exchange.
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WBraun
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Dec 30, 2008 - 04:43pm PT
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So when are you sniveling beanie hats that want to save the Mideast going over there to fix it?
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Dec 30, 2008 - 05:11pm PT
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So Blue, you know why I am passionately concerned but why are you so wrapped up in this conflict? What is your stake in this humanitarian crisis?
By the way the faceless infant apparently died. No word yet on the mother.
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