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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2008 - 09:11am PT
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Many of those problems with heterosexual marriages can be traced to the rise in gay marriages.
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Matt
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primordial soup
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Oct 28, 2008 - 01:29pm PT
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booknematode-
the secret (are you ready for this?) to having a marriage without infidelity on either side, is exactly the same as the secret to truely understanding the prop8 debate, or the whole gay marriage debate!
if you pay attention to YOUR OWN marriage, rather than worry so much about everyone else and what they do or do not do in their lives or their marriages, bingo, vwuaa -laa! somehow, amazingly, things in your life might be just fine!
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2008 - 03:24pm PT
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You guys still suck.
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GDavis
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Oct 28, 2008 - 03:29pm PT
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California Family Code section 297.5
"Registered domestic partners shall have the same rights,
protections, and benefits, and shall be subject to the same
responsibilities, obligations, and duties under law, whether they
derive from statutes, administrative regulations, court rules,
government policies, common law, or any other provisions or sources
of law, as are granted to and imposed upon spouses."
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fam&group=00001-01000&file=297-297.5
So, if it isn't about rights, what's it about?
Vote yes on Proposition 8. You can be tolerant of others lifestyles without embracing it.
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2008 - 03:32pm PT
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Oh I see, GDavis.
Gay people just aren't good enough--well, at least as good as you are--to deserve marriage.
Separate but equal.
Yeah, right.
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GDavis
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Oct 28, 2008 - 03:37pm PT
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Dirtbag, they have all the intended rights as a registered domestic couple. This keeps judges five hundred miles away from saying what you can and cannot do in your own town (which, by the way, has been done already).
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GDavis
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Oct 28, 2008 - 03:40pm PT
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Yes, Wes, play the crazed Leftist card all you want. Anyone that disagrees with you is a racist, or hates gays, or hates women. Diabolical.
I agree with facts and common sense, not useless hate-spin. I've changed my mind on this topic, and several others, by people presenting me with honest facts and realities, NOT anti-religious spew and wanton destruction of beliefs that don't fall in line with the current, MTV lifestyle that those on the far far left decide we all should live by.
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2008 - 03:40pm PT
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Funny, but people in the south used to resent interference from northerners a thousand miles away.
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GDavis
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Oct 28, 2008 - 03:41pm PT
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Exactly, they didn't get to vote on it, did they ;D
Here's what we can do, why don't we have Austin, TX decide this for us?
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2008 - 03:43pm PT
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Lame.
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graniteclimber
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Nowhere
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Oct 28, 2008 - 03:43pm PT
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Marriage provides legal and economic benefits that domestic partnership does not. Marriages are recognized by the the federal government and many other states, domestic partnerships are not.
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2008 - 03:45pm PT
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"Yes, Wes, play the crazed Leftist card all you want. Anyone that disagrees with you is a racist, or hates gays, or hates women. Diabolical. "
Well, that's what is underlying it. You don't like gay people, feel uncomfortable with them, and that is what justifies holding them back from fulfilling what for many would be a lifetime dream. You don't like them. Separate but equal suits you just fine.
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graniteclimber
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Nowhere
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Oct 28, 2008 - 03:48pm PT
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"Separate but equal" in theory is "separate but NOT equal" in practice.
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GDavis
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Oct 28, 2008 - 03:48pm PT
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Dirtbag
I have gay friends. They know my stance. Sorry, everyone that disagrees with you will not fit your stereotypes. In fact, most liberals I know personally are open minded, friendly family men and women.
Discuss the issues.
Granite
I have not heard that, that is interesting and good to know. My question would be, in those states that do not recognize domestic partnerships, do they recognize a same sex marriage?
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2008 - 03:57pm PT
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So why are you potentially denying your gay friends the lifetime of happiness (or misery) that some of them may seek?
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graniteclimber
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Nowhere
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Oct 28, 2008 - 04:05pm PT
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Gdavis,
What you are saying is reasonable and is what I believed for a long time. Gay marriage does not bother me personally, but I know it is disturbing to many people, so I thought that domestic partnership was good enough. If gays get the same rights under domestic partership as heterosexuals get under marriage, they're getting the same thing and we don't have to legally call it marriage to avoid offending some people.
It was only after I learned that gays do NOT get all the same rights under domestic partership that I changed my mind.
"My question would be, in those states that do not recognize domestic partnerships, do they recognize a same sex marriage?"
I was just googling this up and it seems tha tmost states have passed laws preventing same sex marriages from being recognized. Also the federal government now does not recognize gay marriage and still does not recognize domestic partnerships. My information was outdated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States
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GDavis
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Oct 28, 2008 - 04:11pm PT
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Thanks for the link, Granite. I appreciate it.
I think step #1 is to get the federal government to recognize domestic partnerships.
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2008 - 04:17pm PT
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And again I ask, why are you potentially denying your gay friends the lifetime of happiness (or misery) that some of them may seek?
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micronut
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fresno, ca
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Oct 28, 2008 - 04:48pm PT
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I'm curious how prop 8 No voters view homosexuality.
Do you think Homosexuality is a choice?
A tendency?
Healthy?
These are the questions at the heart of the matter.
The "Civil Rights" argument is interesting depending on how you look at these three questions.
Please let me know what some of you think. Then I might jump into the fray and join the conversation.
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bwancy1
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Here
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Oct 28, 2008 - 04:51pm PT
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What do I think about homosexuality?
I couldn't care less. It doesn't affect me in the slightest. I cannot figure out what it would take for me to be so bothered by it that I would deny marriage to strangers.
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