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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 30, 2008 - 05:07pm PT
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Just heard Geraldine Ferraro say she's geting hundreds of emails and letters from women who are NOT going to vote for Barack Hussein Obama Jr.
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gazela
Boulder climber
Albuquerque, NM
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Aug 30, 2008 - 05:23pm PT
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It's funny as hell to see all the loony leftists at this site p*ssing their pants over Palin. McCain couldn't have made a better pick, as she shores up the base, positions him to pick off more than a few Hillary voters, and serves to highlight all of Obama's weaknesses as No. 1 on the Dem ticket: 1) inexperience (any talk of her lack of experience is easily turned into a discussion of HIS thin record); 2) lack of anything in his record to suggest that he's a reformer or a post-partisan/post-racial "uniter"; 3) his unwise associations with creeps like Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers; 4) his extreme positions vis-a-vis abortion rights; and 5) his elitist sensibilities with regard to connecting with working-class Americans. I can't say how Palin will perform as a campaigner or a debater, but she makes Obama's pick of smarmy old Joe Biden look totally wussy.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Aug 30, 2008 - 05:25pm PT
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I didn't realize being pro-choice was an extreme position. How is giving people the ability to make their own decisions extreme exactly?
I think it's an ideal choice personally because it shows how totally hollow the Republican party has become. "Experience is the only answer! Unless we decide it isn't."
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Aug 30, 2008 - 05:30pm PT
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MH, the interactive map is intereseting. If you click on states and look at voting trends in Dem (blue) states, the tend to start becoming more and more Repub, like people were sitting elections out and not voting during the Clinton reign. Then, the numbers start to become higher on the Repub side, but still the minority. Interesting.
http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/whos-ahead/key-states/map.html
Massachussets is a real solid Dem state, by the stats. I guess it's no wonder, Kennedey and Kerry and all.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Aug 30, 2008 - 05:34pm PT
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HDDJ, is anti-abortion extremeist?
Let's not mince words here either.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 30, 2008 - 05:37pm PT
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When it comes to blue and red, the U.S. is getting more purple all the time. There's a few states that will always be red, and a few that will always be blue, but for all the Republican efforts to polarize the electorate, the golden mean usually prevails.
Funny that the supposedly "Republican" states are considered "red". Not long ago, it would have been considered offensive to say someone was a Red, especially a Republican.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Aug 30, 2008 - 05:40pm PT
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"purple" like a contusion.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Aug 30, 2008 - 05:45pm PT
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MH, you don't think Dems try to polarize the electorate? At least try to be fair. Your bias paints you as an MSNBC broadcaster. You should apply.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Aug 30, 2008 - 05:51pm PT
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yeah, you make my point, dude, given the context.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 30, 2008 - 05:56pm PT
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As the geologist said, my sediments exactly.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Aug 30, 2008 - 05:56pm PT
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I understand liberalism quite clearly, dude, I just see it as a naive and misguided way of dealing with things.
Please don't assume I agree entirely with GW either, he's pretty close to being just as misguided.
It's all about giving a man a fish, or showing him how to catch his own fish.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Aug 30, 2008 - 06:23pm PT
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bad example, bro.
What it means is, you can keep having the gov't give handouts to lazy, unmotivated people, or you can say, "you're cut-off in 6 months, you better learn how to get a job and clean up your act".
The more money you want to make, the more you have to apply yourself at your job. Persevere. There are exeptions to the rule, but overall, "quit bitchin' and start workin'". Life ain't easy.
Me and my wife make over 100 grand a year together and still can't afford a house here. Do you hear me whining? Everyone thinks they're entitled to stuff...bullshit! You goota work for it, Johnson, and that's the way it should be.
Although, we prolly could afford a house now except for the fact that we decided to have a kid. Makes it harder to afford the house. But...we 'decided' that was a better choice. It was our decision.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Aug 30, 2008 - 06:26pm PT
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Mtnmun, your posts of Aug 29, 2008, 09:46pm and Aug 30, 2008, 01:55pm have some very strong and convincing points.
However, WandaFuca’s post of Aug 30, 2008, 12:20am is also very revealing, as long as he (she?) has the fact’s right. Obama has been active in legislation in more ways than Palin could ever dream of.
But of course, one could argue that she is not running for the number one spot whereas he is. Vapid for better lack of terms. She could very well find herself in the number one spot. I trust her even less than McCain and Obama.
Picking her could very well turn me away from the idea of writing in McKinney and instead voting for Obama.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Aug 30, 2008 - 06:38pm PT
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No Hillary supporter is going to vote from her and McSame once the honeymoon is over.
Pro Life anti choice
Anti Environment
Supports wolf and moose hunts from planes
She wants creationism taught in schools
She's a redneck who was mayor of a town with a 10th grade education.
Her husband and his cronies are destroying dog sled trails and pissing off environmentalists with their snow machines.
Just what have the republicans done for us that we deserve to give them four more years?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Aug 30, 2008 - 06:58pm PT
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What the hell do you mean by anti-envirnonment?
This is the difference between conservantionists and Berkeley-styled environmentalists.
Does she hate the environment and want to kill it with an NRA sponsered assault rifle? You people amaze me in you frantic attacks on her.
Anti-abortion too, huh? Oh God, she actually wants babies born!!!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Aug 30, 2008 - 07:24pm PT
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I agree, and am against making abortion illegal. That's Taliban-like. I doubt Palin holds that position.
She's probably like me...a strong advocate against promoting/encouraging abortions. I don't like the idea of 2nd term abortions either nowadays. If you saw the sonograms of my son at that age you'd probably say, "That's a little kid in there". The only difference is he wasn't 'quite done yet', and needed to stay protected inside Mom until he was ready for the outside world.
If you're gonna abort, I'd support it ASAP, preferably in the first month...if you have to do it.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Aug 30, 2008 - 07:29pm PT
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I agree with that position Bluey. The choice needs to be the women's and the families, not the governments. They need to make that choice themselves.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Aug 30, 2008 - 07:40pm PT
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Sounding dangerously like common ground here, What I've heard is that, Ms Palin does not want us to have that choice. I would love to be elucidated... Down's kids? way too high functioning for my class room population on a given day....
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Jeremy Handren
climber
NV
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Aug 30, 2008 - 08:06pm PT
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2000 is a long time ago and McCain appears to be moving rapidly to the right to appease the conservative base.
Its not like he is going to be able to hide from the issue, with his choice of Palin as V.P. its going to be front and center. Regardless of his private feelings about the issue his hand may be forced on this one.
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