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climber
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"anyone with half a brain."
We got lots of halfbrains around here.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Blight, If one can not seek the Truth wherever it is found, be it Buddhism or Christianity, and the two religions can not be blended, then which religion do you ascribe to?
As for Kim Micheals, you should read the book before you criticize it. He doesn't claim to be the only person speaking for or to God. The Christians are the ones who do that.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Andy, your mind is polluted.
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drgonzo
Trad climber
east bay, CA
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In other news...
Members of Christian bike gang arrested in raids
Wednesday, August 6, 2008
(08-06) 08:46 PDT Anaheim, CA (AP) --
SWAT teams have raided several Orange and Riverside county homes to arrest members of a Christian motorcycle gang in connection with several stabbings.
Anaheim police Sgt. Tim Schmdit says eight members of the "Set Free Soldiers" gang were taken into custody early Wednesday for investigation of attempted murder.
No injuries were reported.
Police served 11 search warrants in Anaheim, Costa Mesa and Rancho Santa Margarita in Orange County and Norco in Riverside County.
Schmidt says the raids were prompted by a fight in a Newport Beach bar last week between members of the bike gang and the Hell's Angels. Three people were stabbed in that confrontation.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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One more time blue, since you seemed to miss it.
Satan showed himself to Jesus, a man at the time.
Read your bible!!
Jesus was a man. He chose to be one. Says so right in the bible.
SO, again, you're wrong about Satan not showing himself to man.
Unless you don't believe your bible.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Good grief DrGonzo, don't you know, those Christian bikers still sin, they're just forgiven!!
They'll probably get a medal in heaven for sending all those unrepentant heathens to hell.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Dirt, don't you think Satan only did that because he knew it was the son of God? It's obvious. Satan exists to taunt and tempt man into corruption of morality.
God exists (and the Bible) to teach morality. I don't know how you people don't see this.
Although, I guess if your mind is already polluted, it may seem reasonable and right.
Up is down.
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andanother
climber
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bluey,
Learning about Christianity didn't "pollute" my mind. It simply allowed me to see things from a different perspective.
There's no harm in knowledge.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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And that knowledge is that the Bible teaches hatred, bigotry, and prejudice?
The Bible was intended as a guidebook of things to do, or not to do, to better yourself and society as a whole.
Why is it that all 5 major religions have a common denominator?
Can you explain that?
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Yes, god teaches morality.
He turned two women into salt for looking back at the destruction of a city. Certainly destorying a city is a mral act right?
And it would sure be moral to murder two women for something as trivial as looking behind them because you told em not too. that is actually something a murderer would do in fact.
And it was moral to torture Job I guess. that's what it was really, torture.
Trying to get Abraham to kill one of his sons, that's moral. Well, it would be if I tried to do it, but I guess the standard is different if you are an all powerful being and you get to decide what is moral and what is not. Pretty nice work if you can get it I'd say.
And killing every living thing on the planet, except for a family ans a few animals, just because you didn't like the way things turned out, hey, that would make god a rather unstable mass murderer, wouldn't it? But I guess that's moral, somehow. Sort of sets a good example for Stalin, Hitler, and a few other historical figures who took the lesson to heart, no doubt.
Yes, this certainly has shown me that god teaches morals, if you believe in a do as I say, not as I do kind of god.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Why did he really do those things, dirt?
What caused his wrath?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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bluering is right. God's lesson was that vengeful acts are ok as long as you can think of a good reason.
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Ouch!
climber
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I saw where God sent Pat Robertson a word of knowledge that he had just cured some dude's sinus problem.
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andanother
climber
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uh, bluey.....
I agree with you. I agree that God was invented to teach morality. I agree that the Bible was supposed to be a "guide" of sorts.
Problem is, it didn't exactly work out that way. Jesus did, in fact, try to correct a lot of it. And the only way to accomplish that was to claim he was the son of God. But even his teachings have been misinterpreted.
All religions start out with good intentions. But they ultimately end up doing more harm than good. Why do you think our founding fathers were so adamant about the separation of Church and State?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Because of England, andy.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Blight, can you agree to say jesus was angry on occasion ? You sited 4 times. But, when I read your post it makes me think that jesus was an angry person and that just isn't so.
OBTW, I taught a women's bible study for quite sometime. So, yes I read my bible....nearly daily. smiles. lrl
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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What caused his wrath?
LOL, a woman and her daughter LOOKED at something that God said not to look at, so he killed them.
If you or I did that, it would be murder, but I guess it's not if you make the rules.
As for Abraham, God just wanted to mess with his mind. I'd call that cruel and sadistic.
Yep, your god is a great guy. I'd love to hang out with someone like that.-- A power tripping, hair trigger, homicidal sadist.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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graniteclimber, Sorry ! It has taken me so long to get back to your very good question re: old testament vs. new. (OBTW, I have not looked at the Dr. Laura Link yet)I would just like to address your question now.
First let me say I am not a bible apologist. Not my role in life. Like I have said before, I am a jesus follower. I have led bible studies for the purpose of how to live ones life.
To me the old testament overall is the foreshadowing of the coming of jesus in the new testament. When jesus came he said he came not to destroy the law (all the stuff in the old testament, but to fulfill it). To me, jesus, and not all these crazy arguments about how people appeared here on the planet etc, is the "crux of the pitch", so to speak in the bible.
I re read all the arguing on this thread, again, I think the crux of the matter is what you think of jesus.
graniteclimber, you are right about the eye for an eye and slavery....all that changed when jesus came. He spoke to people about a different level of living.
He wanted to show people a better way, a new and living way.
For an example. The jews and samaritians mostly did not like each other. And women were, well lets just say they did not enjoy the status that American women do.
So one day jesus was by himself on a journey back to Galilee. He had to pass through Samaria. He was tired and sat down by a well. A Samaritian woman came to draw H2O and jesus asked for some.
She says, "why do you ask me for a drink?" (jews didn't associate with samaritians)
ASIDE FROM LYNNE: Life never changes does it ?
jesus said to her, (very nicely of course) "gal, if you knew who I am you would ask for living H2O."
Long story short....you can read the whole thing in John 4,
The lady doesn't understand about the living H2O so she asks Jesus WHERE the right place was to worship... on the mountain in Samaria or in Jerusalem.
DO YOU SEE HOW PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO GET DISCUSSIONS GOING ABOUT THE "RIGHT" CREATION THEORY, THE "RIGHT" PLACE TO WORSHIP ETC.?
Jesus took it up a notch. Not only did he present the living water he told her that god doesn't care where you worship; as long as you worship in spirit and in truth.
He told another guy, he must be born....again..Jesus was always kicking it up a notch...getting people to think.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Not going to argue with you, Curt. Will say this. You watch a man give his little son a really hard spanking. What a jerk, you may think. What you don't know is that the son ran out in front of a truck and could have died.
It's all about context. I can't address your remark because it needs to be put in context. If you were like gc, carrying on an amicable conversation I might take hours and hours of my time and develope a dialogue with you. But somehow I don't think that is what you are looking for.
I like you tho. Smiles, Lynne
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Hi Lynne,
You might want to be careful what you call the Law. It is not ALL of the stuff in the old testament. The laws given by man are not true Laws. The law Jesus spoke of was Spiritual Laws such as "You reap what you Sow".
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