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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 19, 2008 - 08:27pm PT
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Gas was a quarter when the peanut man went in.
1.65 (660% increase) and rationed when he left.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 19, 2008 - 09:13pm PT
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Geez, Karl, resorting to implicate me with Hitler Youth when there's no basis. That's slander, dude.
How am I similar to the Hitler youth, maybe you should retract that comment?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 19, 2008 - 09:16pm PT
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Riley, don't be fooled into thinking I love Bush. I can agree with somebody occsionally and still disagree mostly, even if I voted for him twice. He's a fu-ling hack, a liar. Doesn't mean everything he says/does is wrong, though.
Get over it. try clear logic, for once, instead of emotion.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jun 19, 2008 - 09:19pm PT
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Hi Bluering.
Don't slander the Hitler youth, I'm positive 80% of them were fine kids that merely bought their government's propaganda and supported the government party line at the time.
You seem the same way frankly. I know you're a good guy. If the government said we have to nuke Iran right now to save us from nuclear terrorism, you'd say, OK, I trust ya. thanks for protecting me.
Tell me it ain't so, but I bet it is.
You're just lucky that the Bush evils haven't risen to the Hitler evils. That's the main difference we're talking about here.
Peace
karl
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 19, 2008 - 09:26pm PT
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"If the government said we have to nuke Iran right now to save us from nuclear terrorism, you'd say, OK, I trust ya. thanks for protecting me."
Maybe we need to talk more at the next Facelift, you don't seem to know me.
Nuke Iran? Maybe 3 or 4 1ton bunker busters, but nukes?
You're trying to make me out as more extreme than I am. Let's stop exagerrating.
I'm actually insulted you'd associate me the HY, more disappointed, but insulted too. It's cheap, petty.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jun 19, 2008 - 10:34pm PT
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Bluering wrote
"I'm actually insulted you'd associate me the HY, more disappointed, but insulted too. It's cheap, petty."
Don't be insulted bro. i'm just reall pointing out that people are products of their conditioning. There aren't piles of "those evil people" out there, just human beings that haven't questioned their circumstances.
Check it out, how many of us Supertopo folks would be Muslim if we were all born and raised in Saudi Arabia? How many of us would be loyal to the german government if we were born and raised German during the rise of Hilter. Don't kid youself.
You standing up for a dark, failed, violent policy here in supporting a war that was unfounded and immoral. The only reason I can figure for it is accepting the party line.
It would be more insulting if I came to the conclusion you were supporting the war from a more informed critical standpoint.
peace
karl
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Jun 19, 2008 - 10:38pm PT
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Nuke this sh#t B...........
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Michelle
Trad climber
Fort Sam
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Jun 19, 2008 - 10:44pm PT
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Riley, I am not an idiot. Dammit. I'm a retard. get it straight.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Jun 19, 2008 - 11:35pm PT
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re:
You standing up for a dark, failed, violent policy here in supporting a war that was unfounded and immoral. The only reason I can figure for it is accepting the party line.
It would be more insulting if I came to the conclusion you were supporting the war from a more informed critical standpoint.
right on point karl
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 19, 2008 - 11:38pm PT
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Karl, so since I support winning this war at this point, I'm just towing Bush's line?
Little Hitler Youth spouting the Penatgon line? That's what you think?
read my posts about supporting our troops upthread.
It ain't about Bush or the pentagon anymore. It's about finishing off the job, unlike Vietnam. We're right about at the same point when Congress left S. Vietnam hanging in the wind, then overrun. We are damn close to finishing this thing, if we ain't there yet!
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jun 19, 2008 - 11:38pm PT
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As the source for the following is identified, it will hopefully be considered reliable by those unaccustomed to critical thinking.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 19, 2008 - 11:41pm PT
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"You standing up for a dark, failed, violent policy here in supporting a war that was unfounded and immoral. The only reason I can figure for it is accepting the party line."
Am I really? Thanks for telling me so.
I should probably jailed for even thinking that too, huh?
Edit: Funny how peacenik liberals get all agressive.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Jun 20, 2008 - 12:06am PT
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how exactly is that aggressive?
(and btw, people who are against war in general are not necessarily passive, or pacifists)
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Jun 20, 2008 - 12:11am PT
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"Am I really? Thanks for telling me so.
I should probably jailed for even thinking that too, huh?"
the truly funny bit is that you fail to see the incredible irony in that statement
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 20, 2008 - 12:16am PT
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Matt, you're soooo smart, I wish I was like you.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Jun 20, 2008 - 12:21am PT
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there you go pulling *facts* out again anders...damn facts...
charts too - don't you know numbers, like reality, have a known liberal bias ?
i suppose you think that 1 trillion we are spending to kill people, us included (most of which, oddly enough, goes to people CONNECTED WITH THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT...), would better be spent getting us the f*#k off the oil and into sustainable, renewable food and transportation energy sources, too...no xmas card for you this year from the white house ;-)
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jun 20, 2008 - 12:43am PT
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Bluering wrote
"It ain't about Bush or the pentagon anymore. It's about finishing off the job, unlike Vietnam. We're right about at the same point when Congress left S. Vietnam hanging in the wind, then overrun. We are damn close to finishing this thing, if we ain't there yet! "
First Bluering, the problem with Vietnam wasn't that we didn't kill enough people. We killed 2-3 million Vietnamese and for what? Before we left we had already installed a couple of puppets in South Vietnam to do our bidding and Kennedy even stabbed one of them in the back to put a different puppet in there. It was a whole post-colonial sh#t-fry and we screwed it up from beginning to end. It's not lost on me that Democrats were more responsible for getting us in there than the GOP, so it's an equal opportunity screw-up. (and actually, it was the GOP that cut their losses and ran, but I support that decision)
We are NOT remotely close to finishing this thing. The only thing that has been accomplished is this; Now that there are 2-3 million homeless refugees in and outside of Iraq, and now that many regions, particularly in Bagdad, are ethnically cleansed, there are somewhat less people being killed because many are already dead or fled!
You don't get it, we're not there to allow them to be a democratic nation (which would only result in them becoming an Islamic State, which it wasn't before we invaded)
The point is staying in bases there and controlling the oil and economy through a complaint government. That will never be accepted by the proud people of Iraq just like we would never accept foreign Islamic control here. What's so hard to get about that?
peace
karl
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jun 20, 2008 - 01:52am PT
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There is no oil shortage...and you have to be somewhat retarded to think so.
The American people are getting their asses handed to them...plain and simple
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