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G_Gnome
Trad climber
In the mountains... somewhere...
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It's probably a good thing that us SoCal people don't live there, one of us would do it 'just because'.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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hey wes,
have you ever been turned back from a climb you wanted to do?
I don't think so,
thank you for proving my point
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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wes wrote: When you get turned back from a trad climb, chances are you have to settle for total sh#t, or make the journey to a different area for some good climbing.
And that is a assumption based on your limited experiences...
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bachar
Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Trad routes are tons of fun.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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how did you get turned back? some trad was asking for your credentials? the local climbing committee turned down your application to ascend? the trad witch doctor declared it a "bad juju" day?
or was the climb already occupied... you had to wait in line? the horror..
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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I've been told that before... doesn't come as a surprise that you would say it.
But actually, my point is that it is very likely that no one has ever restrained you from doing anything you wanted to do on a climb... you have been completely free to go up and retro-bolt routes the way you'd want them to be.. that you could climb, in what ever style you wanted, any route... to develop new routes in your chosen style.
What restrains you?
You call me an idiot, but so what, I disagree with lots of your arguments, I'm not going out there with a gun and blow your ass off routes I think you're executing incorrectly. Does it matter at all to you what my view point is? does it affect the way you climb? I hope not.
My idiotic point is that you are largely free to climb as you wish. You are even free to alter climbs as you wish. You might bring the wrath of the community down on your ass, but they aren't going to hunt you down...
...well maybe if you chop bolts in the Northeast... but you aren't even as obnoxious as that guy is...
Over the years you've been posting here there seems to be some strange need of yours to validate your view on climbing and invalidate the "traditional" view. You want to be right, and you want the others to be wrong.
Maybe I'm an idiot and don't see the subtly of your actual position, but you seem to post around here with a huge chip on your shoulder.
How come? don't you get out to climb enough? anywhere you want? lots of places?
So practically, this all is just a lot of BS pot stirring...
...I'm an idiot for thinking that there is any value at all here... I'll admit it.
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Ed wrote: So practically, this all is just a lot of BS pot stirring...
Ed...why did it take you so long to figure that one out?
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bachar
Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Up is up, down is down.
I'm an idiot.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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"Up is up, down is down.
I'm an idiot."
Or else a very strange Buddhist.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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seems I'm in some pretty good company...
...i've only called myself an idiot, so at least I'm not a fool...
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Wes wrote: Anyone who doesn't realize times have changed and the old style of establishing routes just isn't going to cut it anymore is an idiot.
You might want to rethink/reword that statement or put yourself in the idiot class.
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Tomcat
Trad climber
Chatham N.H.
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Anyone who pays any attention to Wes....is an idiot.%^)
Just kidding Wes.....you're an idiot.
Have a smiley face...%^)
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midarockjock
climber
USA
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I don't recommend admitting to idiocracy.
1.A statutory breach.
2.Doing what a prudent person of the same group and
circumstances would not do.
3. Not doing what a prudent person of the same group
and circumstances would do.
I think that's all it takes for action.
Sometimes i'm ignorant, however after knowing i'm
reasonable and no longer ignorant.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Just got back from climbing. Did a TR FA on an sketch arete with no pro of any kind - now I do have a real dilemma: will it become my first sport climb...(oh, the humanity) or leave it a TR?
Wes, that's the sort of stuff we were doing in So.Ill. in the mid-70's knee-barred, no-hands rests and all - but we were doing them on TRs (don't know how tall that one is). It's pretty exciting and challenging doing far overhung steep on TR as, by-and-large, there's no hanging around figuring things out.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Well Healyje,
While you've been away,
Wes dissed Old Blue Eyes and now the whole bake sale is falling on its asss.
But we'll get 'er back on track.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2008 - 09:47am PT
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Anybody remember Eddy Murphy and Joe Piscipo doing Ebony And Ivory as Stevie Wonder and Frank Sinatra?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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May 10, 2008 - 10:11am PT
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Heallyj, can you hook your way up that arette and hand drill it? scare the piss out of yourself and probobly be pretty fun as well. Then you might have a nice clip up to enjoy... It's actually a really good feeling to watch people enjoying your hard work;)
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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May 10, 2008 - 10:18am PT
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The problem that I have with JBs rule #3 is that its kind a a wanker rule.. If your planning on climbing something then go climb it.. If someone beats you too it then snooze you lose. Theres lots of stuff I am thinking of climbing but putting off because I am too lazy or scared or whatever so If someone else comes allong and gets it done what am I supposed to do? raise a stink and say hey I was going to get arround to climbing that thing someday so I have first dibbs??
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goatboy smellz
climber
colorado
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May 10, 2008 - 10:19am PT
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C'mon Ron let's keep it on topic mkay...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2008 - 11:25am PT
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Oh,... THAT topic.
Sheesh, when you see a page that starts with Wes calling somebody else an idiot you know its going to be a waste of psyberspace.
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