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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Nov 29, 2017 - 06:24pm PT
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Norton,
Dial it back. We can read. You don’t need to embolden the type. It doesn’t make it more or less true. We know what your sensibilities / ideologies are.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 29, 2017 - 06:30pm PT
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Whenever you look in these st00pid politard threads all you see from these partisan politard people is horsh!t diarrhea coming out of em.
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Mei
Trad climber
mxi2000.net
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Nov 29, 2017 - 06:52pm PT
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I admit I have not read most of this thread. I'm just using this venue for my own thinking out loud:
Do we (people in general) these days feel obligated to believe in EVERY accusation of sexual misconduct with equal conviction, and join the non-discriminatory crusade against the accused without EVER questioning the motive of the accuser or the nature of each incident, or giving the accused a listen at all?
That's certainly my observation and I fear the implication. For people who have shame and decency, being the victim of accusations of this nature can be deadly even when they are just borderline or downright not true at all. False accusations can ruin people's lives and careers and certainly have been used as weapons. But For people who have no shame and decency, apparently, the accusations, even when they are absolutely true and can be proven, bear no weight on them, especially those with absolute power. The implication is dangerous.
I don't follow closely all the coverage, be it Weinstein, Moore, Franken, Louis C.K., or Keillor, any more because I'm disgusted that they are given equal importance by media, who strive to (or pretend to) show "balance", but some accusations did catch my attention and prompted my questioning.
Regarding Al Franken:
The "groping" (common sense tells me that it was a hover and it obviously stopped at the hover, a distasteful and silly joke) accusation came from a conservative radio news anchor. Hmmm...
The second accusation came from a woman who claimed inappropriate touch while a photo was taken by her husband at a busy state fair 7 years ago. Why did her husband did not punch Franken right there and then? That would have taught him a lesson, right?.
And Al Franken, who has been married to the same woman for 42 years, never had extra marital affairs even during the crazy SNL days, vouched for by dozens of women who worked closely with him: "I’ve met tens of thousands of people and taken thousands of photographs, often in crowded and chaotic situations. I’m a warm person; I hug people. I’ve learned from recent stories that in some of those encounters, I crossed a line for some women — and I know that any number is too many." He goes on ...“Some women have found my greetings or embraces for a hug or photo inappropriate, and I respect their feelings about that. I’ve thought a lot in recent days about how that could happen, and recognize that I need to be much more careful and sensitive in these situations."
Regarding Garrison Keillor, I quote an article:
"Keillor told The Minneapolis Star-Tribune that in one case, he simply "put my hand on a woman's bare back" while attempting to console her. "I meant to pat her back after she told me about her unhappiness and her shirt was open and my hand went up it about six inches. She recoiled. I apologized. I sent her an email of apology later and she replied that she had forgiven me and not to think about it. We were friends. We continued to be friendly right up until her lawyer called.”"
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 29, 2017 - 07:01pm PT
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Well put, Mei.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Nov 29, 2017 - 07:24pm PT
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New World Order, how old are you?
Your reasoning and critical thinking skills are seriously lacking.
You show a picture of Joe Biden next to a young girl as if that is your proof that he is a pedophile. And if someone posts a picture of you next to a young boy are you one too?
Then you show a link that says former President Clinton actually, gasp, flew on the very same airplane that a sex offender also flew on, therefore you conclude he is also a sex offender. edit: Clinton WAS a sexual predator but not because he got on an airplane.
Every flown on a plane, or taken a cab or a city bus, NWO?
Surely someone who committed some sort of crime was also once on that plane or cab or bus. Therefore YOU are also the same criminal they are.
Do you understand how preposterous, how sophomoric, how ignorant your attempt are? Please grow up.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 29, 2017 - 07:36pm PT
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At least he didn't go off about chem trails or fluoride...
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c wilmot
climber
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Nov 29, 2017 - 07:37pm PT
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How many people fly on a private plane nicknamed the "Lolita express"? 26 times...
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Nov 29, 2017 - 07:41pm PT
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New World Order pathetically blurts out:
Funny how the left embraces radical Islam
and who is it on the left that embraces ISIS, the Taliban, radical Islam?
name them and just a few of the many ways they do so
going to get that pesky GED this year?
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Nov 29, 2017 - 08:19pm PT
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New World Order lies:
Funny how the left embraces radical Islam
and who is it on the left that embraces ISIS, the Taliban, radical Islam?
name them and just a few of the many ways they do so
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 29, 2017 - 08:35pm PT
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This guy ^^^^^ is soooo clueless and brainwashed
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 29, 2017 - 08:56pm PT
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The term pederasty is used variously to refer to: the erotic attraction of an adult male to an adolescent boy; sodomy of an adolescent boy by an adult man; sexual relations between an adult male and a prepubescent boy; anal intercourse between two men; pedophilia, or sexual attraction to young children; sexual molestation of a child by an adult.
There is little agreement about the exact definition of the term even in scientific literature, much less in general usage.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 30, 2017 - 06:25am PT
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I've maintained if others come forward he could be forced to resign. They have. His effectiveness in the Senate will be severely compromised. Time to condsier stepping aside.
Also time for those outraged by Franken, et all, to demand Trump resign. It's hypocritical to do otherwise. Why is Trump getting a pass? Where's the outrage?
Imagine this scenario: Moore wins in Alabama with Doofus's support and Franken is forced to resign. Moore leads in the polls. Lesson: attack the victims and be rewarded.
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c wilmot
climber
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Nov 30, 2017 - 06:37am PT
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Regardless of whether any of these men are guilty of the crimes they have been accused of or not, one thing is for sure – the ones who hold left wing values have earned the right to make at least one mistake in their lives. George Takei has helped millions of LGBT children around the globe come out and be comfortable in their sexually. Harvey Weinstein has donated funds to many Democratic candidates and grass-root movements that have helped us secure political power. Who cares if these men have made one or two mistakes in their lives? What’s important is that they have realized their mistakes and are willing to learn from them, which is more than I can say for Trump and his fellow GOP rapists.
Great minds think alike
https://medusamagazine.com/why-we-should-believe-women-who-accuse-right-wingers-of-rape-more-than-those-who-accuse-liberals
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Nov 30, 2017 - 07:42am PT
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Weinstein, O'Reilly and now Lauer are all gone due to the strength of the accusers' claims.
Roy Moore should be toast by now. But his people have done a good job finding flaws in his accusers' stories. How about a look at that yearbook Ms Allred?
Conyers hasn't stepped down due to sheer arrogance.
In my opinion, there's a big difference from just being crass... being a schmuck versus being a sexual predator. Al Franken is guilty of being crass. Nothing more.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 30, 2017 - 08:33am PT
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Is there a statute of limitations on the assault accusations...? Seems like it's too late to do anything legally other than shame the perps if that's humanly possible...?
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 30, 2017 - 08:38am PT
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Go to DC and become a lawyer and prosecute all the criminals you useless brain dead freaks whine about here all day long.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 30, 2017 - 08:44am PT
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Luzzzzer...!
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bit'er ol' guy
climber
the past
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Nov 30, 2017 - 11:25am PT
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AF is a turd bag.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 30, 2017 - 05:56pm PT
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Both Jenners are turd bags...
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