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perswig
climber
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Feb 15, 2017 - 02:36pm PT
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Craig, while Lois (whom I'm convinced is a Fish figment...) clearly asks to send her regards to ST, did she OK posting the entire letter?
Some personal info there that some folks might not want shared.
YMMV.
Dale
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 15, 2017 - 02:39pm PT
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Leaks bad, Russian sleeze money good.
#makeamericarussiasbitch
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 15, 2017 - 02:39pm PT
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And the leaked e-mails from the DNC were also illegally obtained
Yeah, about that...
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Feb 15, 2017 - 03:13pm PT
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If you're looking to debate issues with a reasonable conservative, those have gone unicorn status. Most reasonable conservatives are independents by now. What's left is...Well you know.
It's laughable (or distressing) that Jody, Mad, Cosmic, Werner and others are so miserable that seeing liberals loosing their minds over Trump gives them pleasure.
I get no pleasure knowing that affluent, business owning libritards like myself will benefit quantum levels above these guys as a result of this administration's policies. With a fair amount of confidence, I would say most liberals are concerned about the futures of, ALL our children and grandchildren and really don't give much thought to perceived, government bondage of angry white guys.
My guess is that these guys have had every opportunity this great country offers to create happiness and are pissed because they either blew it or have false expectations.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Feb 15, 2017 - 03:30pm PT
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Yes, it is very entertaining and it warms my heart.
So does a cop killing black people.
Curt
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Feb 15, 2017 - 03:39pm PT
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That one's pretty well documented.
Curt
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Feb 15, 2017 - 04:27pm PT
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So far so good? What planet are you living on? He is constantly dogged by scandal after scandal.
Now we know that their campaign was talking to Russian intel officers. So far they say, "No evidence of collusion, but why else would they be talking to the Russians?
We already know that Clinton was under attack by the Russians, and through wikileaks they tried to sabotage her campaign.
There is no way to know how much the Russians hurt Clinton, but we have never seen anything like this. Ever. To now know that Trump's campaign was talking with the Russians for a good year, while they were attacking Clinton at the same time, it made some effect.
He is also a huge liar. He won't release his tax returns, despite over a year of promises, and he won't divest himself from his businesses. Why? He is old as dirt, and his kids seem to be already involved. We have never seen a president behave like this.
The real bombshell will come when the Intelligence Committee sees the transcripts of the contacts with the Russians. If there was collusion, then Trump will be out of office within the year.
What presidential candidate in history has been in contact with the Russians before and after the election, before he was sworn in? Doesn't he know that the Russians are geopolitical rivals? It is a damned mess, and I want to know the whole story. Flynn's short tenure is evidence of something larger.
I didn't even vote for Clinton. I vote Libertarian when I don't like either candidate. Guys like Jody were always making noise about Obama's Executive Orders as being unconstitutional. Now they are silent while Trump out-Obama's even Obama in that respect.
The guy needs to settle down and act professionally. So far we have seen an incredibly thin skin where he goes after little actors on Twitter, late at night. Apparently he doesn't know the definition of Ad Hominem Attack. He doesn't have to do that. He should ignore the little stuff and concentrate on learning how to govern, because he is woefully unprepared. Every sentence out of his mouth creates some foreign policy scandal.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 15, 2017 - 05:02pm PT
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Several things stand out with regards to the Russians:
a) Immediately after taking office, trumpco lifted a ban on selling high-end tech to Russian intelligence services - better gear than they just used to hack the election.
b) The Russians didn't react to Obama's sanctions because of assurances they'd be lifted by trumpco
c) The Russians deploys advanced cruise missiles threatening the EU in violation of existing treaties as soon as trumpco's team is in place - not word one from trumpco.
If Hillary had won and the gop had found her campaign had extensive contacts with the Russians before during and after the election there would be several select committee investigations and we'd already be in impeachment hearings.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Feb 15, 2017 - 05:11pm PT
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Amazing--8 years of Obama and basically zero scandals...
Well, there was that time when Michele went sleeveless..
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Feb 15, 2017 - 05:29pm PT
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Trump said the world is flat today. Spicer will explain it tomorrow.
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hobo_dan
Social climber
Minnesota
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Feb 15, 2017 - 05:31pm PT
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The nightly NPR program Indivisible is amazing. 24 days in and so far so good is right- but man you can't make this stuff up. Total self inflicted implosion. Bring Flynn in for a congressional hearing--I'm curious if he talks or if he falls on his sword.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 15, 2017 - 05:42pm PT
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Flynn is just one leg of the spider-like Russian involvement with trumpco - Manafort, Tillerson, Page and Stone are four others and we don't know who else, though likely trump himself.
When you get down to it one comes away with the impression that trumpco is dominated by white nationalists who see Russia and Putin as an 'enemy-of-my-enemy' (muslims, jews, asians and other assorted non-whites) and so worthy of aligning with on that basis alone even if it means overlooking eighty years of geopolitical realities and history which would rationally contraindicate any such an alignment.
It's very hard for me to avoid that conclusion and the fact that it's even more delusional and dangerous than the neocons' fantastical approach to elevating America to a unitary superpower.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Feb 15, 2017 - 05:49pm PT
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Loose lips sink ships, and SS Trump is going down
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Feb 15, 2017 - 05:50pm PT
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The deleted/copied quote needs no introduction:
Contractor
You're a nutcase projecting garbage in your head onto the world outside of you.
I have nothing to do with your fantasies that come out of your insane head.
You politards are idiots and I have nothing to do with your stoopid politard rants every day here.
Trump is your nutcase ranting problem.
I have nothing to do with Trump period, stick to building your buildings as it's something you actually know how to do.
Clicked this thread on accident earlier today and was so floored by that ^^^^
that I actually saved it.
Looks like it and others got deleted.
Ummm- check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Wow- is this really why you guys come to a climbing forum?
To argue politics and act batshit crazy?
I just don't get it.
Have fun f ucking up the forum.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Feb 15, 2017 - 05:59pm PT
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Someone who has been on the government's teat his whole life, not because he wanted to do the right thing, but rather because he has no skills that anybody in the world would be willing to pay him for.
Preaching to the choir.
Amen.
EDIT: not referring to el huffer
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Feb 15, 2017 - 05:59pm PT
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Yay, Jefe!
Meanwhile, back in Washington...
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Feb 15, 2017 - 06:09pm PT
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Well, there was that time when Michele went sleeveless..
Constitutional solidarity: the right to bear arms.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Feb 15, 2017 - 06:29pm PT
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Curt, you saying that shows how arrogant, self-righteous, and psychotic you are.
Of all the stupid things you say, that takes the cake. I have to say that I completely regret ever meeting you. To think that I ever thought you were a normal and decent guy.
We are praying for you Jody. Dog bless.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 15, 2017 - 06:33pm PT
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Lol! ^^^
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 15, 2017 - 06:33pm PT
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Can we just impeach the c*#ks@cker yet?
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