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nah000
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no/w/here
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Mar 22, 2017 - 08:05am PT
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this fear mongering over the russians is nostalgia inducing. but not a lot else.
let's recap what's happened in the last 30 years:
 the ruskies attempt at an alternative global system of distribution and direct competitor to globalized capitalism fails.
the russian vacuum is filled with black and grey market folks who are quite happy with the current global arrangement where, as but one recent example, apple can sell $4 buhbuhbuhbillion dollars worth of electronics and over priced cases in new zealand alone, and pay $zuhzuhzuhzero in local taxes.
dudes like deripaska want some influence, like all of the rest of the big money players have, and so pays $10 million to "insiders" like manafort.
manafort fUcks deripaska out of $17 million dollars that he was supposed to invest.
"somehow" the a.p. ends up with key documents explaining the relationship between deripaska and manafort.
come on.
this, in all likelihood, is a story as old as capitalism itself. rather than kill a guy that's fUcked you, you attempt to publically castrate him.
hilarious [or sad depending on the cynicism level of the moment] is that parallel to the righties who think the results of the often parasatic and objectively unfair distribution model is due to too much government [rather than the current globalized synthesis of economic/political arrangements], the lefties are quick to fall back to a nostalgic xenophobia... rather than look at the left's hand in creating the current conundrums that we now face.
only difference between the russians and the apples of the world, at this point, is that the new/old foxes have a few things to learn from the old/new foxes already in the henhouse.
russians are as much a threat to the system as a whole as apple is.
they just want their proportional piece of the political influence pie...
just like everyone else.
and the lefties say: how high?
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Mar 22, 2017 - 08:32am PT
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In 2006 and lasting years. Funny how Jody tries to minimise this.
Mannafort resigned after his ties to the Russians became a public liability. Mannafort's associates have been seen inside the Whitehouse. He still has considerable influence.
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 22, 2017 - 10:09am PT
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If it was harmless, why keep lying about it?
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Mar 22, 2017 - 11:30am PT
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Hillary and the Democrats met with the Russians as much if not more than the Repug's did. Big difference between official visits that the public knows about (hence the photos, news stories, etc) and visits that were not public and were subsequently denied or lied about. Jeff Sessions hung himself by volunteering false testimony about never meeting with the Russians when that was not even what he was being asked about.
We expect our public officials to meet and work with foreign governments, I would get upset if they shirked their responsibility and failed to hold meetings with both allies and enemies. I don't expect folks like Flynn to secretly talk with foreign ambassadors to undermine the current foriegn policy before the new POTUS is sworn in, as that gets to be pretty treasonous really quick.
The lies and cover-up are a crime and betrayal all their own. If the repug's were rabid to impeach over lies about a hummer, they should be frothing at the mouth over this much more substantive festering pile of lies and betrayal.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Mar 22, 2017 - 12:08pm PT
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It will once we finally learn the truth about Hillary's e-mails. Heard her quinoa salad recipe was lifted from Putin. "Wire tapped" his microwave.
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 22, 2017 - 01:03pm PT
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Ah yes, the Clinton foundation, where money nefariously went to charitable causes.
What charitable causes did manafort give his $10 million to?
Why do all of them--especially trump--keep lying incessantly?
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Mar 22, 2017 - 01:12pm PT
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Jody,
The idea as to why a an evil self interested Oligarch, who is owned by Russian entanglements
and so has been used to destroy a working democracy, ( as opposed to a women patriot?)
the Trumpster is the tool ,it is the - On going war- that we have lost!
You can not be as stupid as you claim to be.
Putin's ability to destabilize our government (by the use of tools), is well documented.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 22, 2017 - 01:21pm PT
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You stoopid Americans destabilized your own govt. not Putin.
You stoopid Americans are as stoopid as Trump or even more so and drink too much kool aid and do too many drugs.
That's why you deserve an idiot like Trump because you're as dumb or dumber than him .....
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Mar 22, 2017 - 01:30pm PT
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I think the duck nailed it...
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Mar 22, 2017 - 01:31pm PT
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From the outer reaches of the solar system the ignorance streams...
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Mar 22, 2017 - 02:03pm PT
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He played in 11 games (taking a knee) last year and won 1 game.
His best seasons were before he took a knee in 12,13, and 2014.
Let's see, if I plug the relevant numbers into my computer and do the math, the result I get is that he sucks as a football player and his suckiness is correlated with his kneeling! I just do the math on the numbers that survive through my information screening processes.
It just might be that our processors are infected with the affect bias virus? Nah, we're just omniscient omnipotent computers of truth.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Mar 22, 2017 - 02:08pm PT
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Colin Crapernick is a moron. Sure, Trump spends months on the campaign trail saying how sorry American is, our military sucks, no one respects us, and buffoons like Jody lap it up with a spoon and put him in the White House. Kaepernick refuses to stand for the Anthem to protest an issue and he earns Jody's derision.
I disagreed with him not standing. He was also dead wrong when he commented during the first debate that Trump and Clinton were just arguing over who was less racist (stupid comment and probably inspired a few people not to vote--look how well that worked out). Still, I have nothing but praise for him for his donation. Well done sir.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Mar 22, 2017 - 06:05pm PT
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Trump is a moran...Trumpty dumpty sat on a wall...Trumpty dumpty took a big fall...Dumped the bitch on the next corner...
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 28, 2017 - 03:39pm PT
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Kaepernick gets a boost thanks to the orange narcissist.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Sep 28, 2017 - 03:47pm PT
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According to tRump, people protesting racial injustice are unpatriotic.
All hail tWitler.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Sep 28, 2017 - 05:58pm PT
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Make soccer great again!
If you say so Donnie boy.
Works for me.
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