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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Put "US gun policy" on the gun/triggerhappy finger and "US citizens" on the free hand and you are far closer to the truth...
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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No sorry it's the tw#ts who say the solution to too many guns is more guns that need f*#king help.
Generally I just ignore you. But this ridiculousness is SO far beyond the pale that it demands a response.
Not ONE person on this thread is advocating for "more guns." Not Chief, not anybody. NOBODY is saying that "more guns" is any "solution."
A better deployment of EXISTING guns would provide a partial solution in some scenarios. You moan and snivel that we don't want to turn this nation into, say, Somalia. But to hear YOU tell it, we're already there.
At least TRY to "argue" with a SHRED of intellectual honesty.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Not sure why I bother talking to you guys, but as a gun owner, I'd be really stoked to see tighter regulations on magazine size, and background checks that include mental health screening before any firearm purchase. Semi autos with a large capacity are really fun to shoot, but not needed. Screw LaPierre and his ilk, they are profiting on fear mongering and the blood of many people is on their hands.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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From the link posted by Nita above:
In 1996, a mass shooting in an Australian picnic area became a catalyst for the enactment of sweeping gun laws in the country.
These laws include a mandatory national buyback of guns, as well as restrictions on semi-automatics and a 28-day waiting period to get a license to own a gun.
The Australian deputy prime minister at the time, Tim Fischer, helped pass the gun control laws.
Fischer, a gun owner himself, tells Here & Now’s Jeremy Hobson the Australian laws show a country “can have a sensible policy on guns and reduce the number of people being killed by guns and the gun massacres.”
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John M
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Not ONE person on this thread is advocating for "more guns." Not Chief, not anybody. NOBODY is saying that "more guns" is any "solution."
weren't you arguing for armed guards in every school. Not to put too fine of a point on it, but wouldn't that mean more guns..
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Owning guns makes up for my lack of testosterone as I age.
Why do libtards hate old people?
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Nice post Brandon.
This thread is a good example of why gun control is needed.
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philo
climber
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Brandon that is one of the best most reasonable posts.
Thank you madbolter but it's been pointed out time after time that philo is never going to put forth intellectual thoughts. That is pretty funny.
Know that those of us who actually see the issues ignore morons like philo and continue to address the issues with carefully thought out solutions and not left wing propaganda talking points that are meant to distract you with vitriolic bs instead of rational solutions.
OK so where is your careful thoughts on solutions?
giving up my rights to arms is not on the table. What if new regulations deem you legally unfit for gun ownership?
Philo can give his up all he wants that's the nwo he seeks Quite an ignorant assumption. What else ya got in her brain trust?
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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But the only thing that would actually work is, ironically, what the right-wing crazies most fear, which is a variant of"confiscation" -- like what Australia did. That will never happen.
It will happen. The NRA leaves us no choice.
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dirtbag
climber
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I read or heard something recently that explained the basic political dilemma.
A very passionate minority generally opposes changes.
A mostly (but not entirely) passive majority favors change.
On almost any issue, guns included, the passionate minority wins.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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weren't you arguing for armed guards in every school. Not to put too fine of a point on it, but wouldn't that mean more guns.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but it's OBVIOUS that this doesn't mean "more guns." The soldiers I mentioned already HAVE guns. They don't need MORE of them, and there would not be MORE soldiers.
We are talking about deploying EXISTING personnel already possessing EXISTING guns.
This sort of thing already works in many inner-city schools. I mentioned two of them in Riverside and San Bernardino. Students are not perpetually "freaked out" by the existence of roaming, armed guards. In fact, with the incidence of violence WAY down since these schools installed metal detectors and armed guards, the students can (finally) actually settle down and concentrate on their studies.
No MORE guns... just a more intelligent deployment of EXISTING guns.
If you're gonna wring your hands about "keeping the kids safe," then KEEP them safe... the same way that VIPs (supposedly, that's what our kids are) are kept safe all over the world (including in Canada!).
No laws would not accomplish ANYTHING to keep the kids safe. But some roaming, armed guards would. And schools all over this country have already started to tumble to that FACT.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Philo needs help.
I mean, seriously. People, if any of you know this guy personally, reach out and help him and get him help. I mean it. To my mind, there's no surprise if there ends up being blood on your hands if you don't.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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It will happen. The NRA leaves us no choice.
OK I'm finally unable to resist. Until one deals with the Second Amendment, the discussion that "we should be like the United Kingdom and Australia" is useless. The founders designed the United States Constitution to insure that we would not be like the United Kingdom. Amending the Constitution takes a consensus I don't see happening any time soon. "Amending" the Supreme Court seems more likely, although the intellectual dishonesty required to read the Second Amendment to allow confiscation (or, more euphemistically, madatory repurchase) of firearms may make even a few of the more liberal SCOTUS justices pause. OK. When it comes to members of the SCOTUS feeling intellectual restraint, I kid. I kid.
Still, the Second Amendment forms a much more formidable barrier than most of the proposals I see here acknowledge.
Interestingly, peoples' unaided hands or feet are the instruments of death in more than twice the number of homicides involving rifles of any form. The hysteria on banning "assault rifles" therefore seems to miss the target (so to speak) by miles. The societal resources we would need to remove assault rifles from criminal - or even law-abiding - hands aren't trivial. Are they worth it, when we consider other possible uses of those resources to secure the well-being of society?
More fundamentally, I think we're wasting a lot of time looking for perfect, but impossible solutions, rather than looking at possible improvements. Since no one on this thread has expressed an opinion that our current weapons laws are optimal, what would you change that might actually have enough political juice to become law within, say, the next two years?
John
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philo
climber
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Oct 6, 2015 - 02:27pm PT
Philo needs help.
I mean, seriously. People, if any of you know this guy personally, reach out and help him and get him help. I mean it. To my mind, there's no surprise if there ends up being blood on your hands if you don't.
Seriously what an ignorant thing to say. Almost as ignorant as putting soldiers into school classrooms. I don't know who you think you are madbolt but you don't have the credibility to make such an asinine statement. And it's only because you don't like my point of view that isn't in line with yours. So you make specious and absurd attacks. Grow up.
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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OK I'm finally unable to resist.
Don't fight it, John. Come to the Dark Side.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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And it's only because you don't like my point of view that isn't in line with yours.
No, there are MANY here with whom I disagree. But YOU on many threads have exhibited some very disturbing personality issues that many others besides just me have commented on, and I am frankly disturbed by it.
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