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zBrown
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Jun 29, 2015 - 09:05pm PT
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Yeah, but would you want your daughter to marry one?
Whoops, showing my age.
Holy sheeit, what if C'man's daughter decided to take up with the lesbian love child of Ma Rainey and Beethoven?
Forget about the tuba players and the flagpole, would he want them to live in sin or to have a government sanctioned liaison, just like all the other citizens united?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 29, 2015 - 09:06pm PT
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the Fet, hi there.
say my quotes were given to Adam&Eve written by Moses some 3300 yrs ago.
Do you know of something prior regarding marriage you can direct me toward? i'd love to read it:)
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Jun 29, 2015 - 09:07pm PT
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So the basic fundie argument is based on plumbing and some inconsistent definitions of what constitutes marriage in the buy-bull. Then tell me how this "acceptable" marriage is any different from a same sex marriage.
To wit:
One of my patients had his junk (and everything else below his iliac crest) blown off while saving his unit from a grenade in Iraq. They were able to reconstruct his anus & rectum with some amount of feeling, so he is not completely incontinent. It turns out he can gain some sexual pleasure through anal stimulation. But he must use a prosthetic to please his wife and there is no possibility of creating a child together.
Yes they are opposite sexes, but that is really moot since the whole purpose of biologically different sexes is for reproduction. Are you saying this couple's marriage is invalid and an abomination to your god? How is this loving couple different from a gay couple?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Jun 29, 2015 - 09:12pm PT
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So Klimmer, what would you say to someone who, on religious principle, refused to serve black people in his business? Would that be okay with you? Plenty of fine, upstanding American citizens cited religious authority in the enslavement, disenfranchisement, and persecution of blacks. You cool with that? Or is it just gays that you want to persecute?
Your rendering of G-d's word and their rendering of G-d's word is wrong. The Bible both OT and NT talks about the truth of loving the alien (the stranger) as your brother.
False Christians also used their false faith to persecute The Jews in the Holocaust and put them to death for killing Jesus Christ. The Jews didn't kill Yeshua HaMashiach. The Romans did due to some very corrupt Jewish Priests in the Sanhedrin. The people of Israel were blind to their Messiah but the people as a whole were not responsible for his death.
Yeshua said he gave his life freely. No one could take it from him if he didn't allow it. He could have called down Legions of Angels to rescue him. But had he, there would be no hope of forgiveness for mankind. No salvation. We would be destroyed in the end and eternally separated from G-d. He willingly laid down his life for us. He is the sacrificial Lamb of G-d and he came down to take away the sins of the world and curse of sin, death, the eternal separation from G-d.
Who wants to persecute Gays? I don't. I had a good friend in the Army who was gay. I protected him. At that time you could be kicked out for admitting you were gay. I didn't run to the commander and rat him out. How could I? He was my friend and I cared about him. I didn't agree with his life style.
The world is condemned already and judged. That's why Yeshua said he didn't come to judge the world (the world is judged already) but to save it. He came to give everyone a way out through him, The Messiah. His very name Yeshua means salvation. Once again He didn't come to judge the world but to save it😊
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Jun 29, 2015 - 09:19pm PT
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It's a very Judaic thing to do out of respect. You don't want to use the name of G-d in vain. One of the 10 commandments. 😎
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 29, 2015 - 09:23pm PT
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I don't get it, what's the difference?
Is it not lawful to be discriminatory aggainst behavior's?
Businesses can post No shirt,shoes, No service. Some resteraunts dont allow admittance without a jacket&tie. A store cant sell booze&ciggies to anyone under 18 or 21.
None of these restrictions have to do with color. They have to do with societal morals. And i find it most interesting that your agenda wants to pull in the color card. Pathetic!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 29, 2015 - 09:25pm PT
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"...is it is not the court's job to make laws."
Nope, but it is the court's job to interpret & enforce them, or strike them down when they aren't consistent with the basic premise of the Constitution.
Like they did this time.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Jun 29, 2015 - 09:27pm PT
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Other than the current extremist trend of killing people, I fail to see the differentiation between Christian values being forced on other people, and Islamic values being forced on other people.
Y'all's good moral Christian values were recently upheld in the Hobbly Lobby decision, or have ya already forgotten the gloating that came from the moral Christian right over that one?
Maybe your God is trying to teach you humility.
Enough already! Nobody's forcing you to be gay. It's not affecting your valuation of marriage and/or what it means to you any more than allowing marriage to take place by a justice of the peace at the courthouse, nor by the current rate of divorce, nor by marriages that take place within the bounds of SOME OTHER RELIGION.
It's a step in the direction of freedom, and equality. And don't go running around forgetting that yours is not the ONLY religion practiced in our great, free country. The whole goddamn idea of freedom is that we all get to choose what we believe in. You RESTRICTING the definition of marriage to that of YOUR RELIGIOUS convictions runs contrary to the theme of religious freedom.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 29, 2015 - 09:28pm PT
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Then tell me how this "acceptable" marriage is any different from a same sex marriage.
i explained my reasoning in full a page or two back. i would be honored by your response.
about your "to wit". Thats a whole other box of worms:)
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jonnyrig
climber
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Jun 29, 2015 - 09:30pm PT
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jonnyrig
climber
Jun 26, 2015 - 09:10am PT
All of us deserve a little freedom. Good.
Now then... can we get back to trashing each other's differences of opinion?
It's so rare that I'm actually right, I just had to point it out...
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jun 29, 2015 - 09:33pm PT
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hey, klimmer: god just told me that he wants you to get your head out of your ass.
Frauds like you trying to use religion to spread hatred are a penny a dozen, and it wouldn't take much effort to edit your drivel down into an Nazi press release.
You dishonour the memory of those who died in the Holocaust and guess what? Probably about 10% of them were gay.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Jun 29, 2015 - 09:41pm PT
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What's tantamount in my book is trying to conflate gay "marriage" in the same respect as heterol "marriage". Sure there are many here and around the world that get "married" because the two are in love, or because it"s a good business arangement. But the fact is Marriage, along with the terms marry, wife and husband were written in the bible Thousands of years ago. And a direct deffinition was handed down by God. "Therefore a man shall leave his mother and father and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. Be fruitful and multiply." It's a clear reciepe for the meaning of what it takes to become Married
What about other religions? What about their views and beliefs regarding marriage, homosexuality, divorce, etc?
From wikipedia:
3 Abrahamic religions
3.1 Christianity
3.2 Judaism
3.3 Islam
3.4 Bahá'í Faith
3.5 Rastafarianism
4 Asian religions
4.1 Buddhism
4.2 Hinduism
4.3 Jainism
4.4 Sikhism
4.5 Taoism
5 No religion
5.1 Agnosticism, atheism, and humanism
5.1.1 Deism
5.1.2 Belief in the existence of a god
6 Others
6.1 Native American religions
6.2 Neopaganism
6.2.1 Druidry
6.2.2 Wicca
6.3 New Thought Movement
6.4 Unitarian Universalism
What about all of those? I don't hear a huge outcry from them (non-Christian)...
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Jun 29, 2015 - 09:56pm PT
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Elcap,
That graphic and associated texts are misleading.
You have to do a midrash study on each of those situations and know the Jewish context and circumstances in the Bible. Yes G-d did allow some of that due to circumstances, for a short season, but it wasn't permanent. It wasn't the ideal.
G-d with us, Emmanuel, Yeshua HaMsshiach, (Jesus The Messiah) reset marriage straight and reaffirmed its only between one woman and one man and then for life. Anything different was because of hardness of heart which is a sin. Remember Jesus saying "from the beginning it was not so ..."
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 29, 2015 - 10:02pm PT
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Who cares.
Nobody is forcing you to marry a gay person. (So don't marry a homo-duh!)
This is about gay people being able to marry who THEY choose. You know, freedom.
Quit trying to shove your religion down other people's throats, you weirdo Taliban puke.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Jun 29, 2015 - 10:11pm PT
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Wow anger issues much?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 29, 2015 - 10:14pm PT
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What about all of those?
hey man oviously i can't speak for what their recorded history say's. i showed you verbatem what the bible gives as a description of marriage. i offered this to you so maybe youcan understand how i'm not discreminatory against gay couples or their ability to get the same rights as a "married" couple. My bias is over legal terminology.
So did you check out what any of the other religions had to say? Has there ever anywhere else in the history of mankind been talk of men marry'in men? i havn't found any. The fact that there hasn't seems a bit queer don't it;)
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Jun 29, 2015 - 10:30pm PT
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Keep typing blu,
you and klimmer
would make a
perfect couple.
Your god lost.
Feel the love?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 29, 2015 - 10:47pm PT
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don't-know you jus keep readin
i feel ur gettin close
to understaning the truth
the perfect love
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Jun 30, 2015 - 05:29am PT
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Yeah, the truth.
Allow the gays
basic rights
and then.....
blond haired
blu eyed
messiahs
will be
shacking up
with lizards.
The love,
so abundant
but seldom
given.
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steveA
Trad climber
Wolfeboro, NH
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Jun 30, 2015 - 05:37am PT
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The next election for POS will be interesting. This new ruling by the Supreme Court will make for even sharper contrast between the right and the left.
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