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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 22, 2015 - 02:20am PT
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Does that answer your question?
No. The guy at Boeing can design a plane, but he don't know how to fly
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 22, 2015 - 02:47am PT
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Jeez dude your the insult queen. Not one of mine was an insult but a pointing at realties truth.
Seriously man, I would much rather talk about what it is to be a Christian. It seems easiest when there's examples to point at. You've only mentioned how smart you are : ( that's cool I prolly wish that I memorized as many words of the bible as you have? But wouldn't you agree it's their meaning that's what's important?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jun 22, 2015 - 05:00am PT
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Funny how the most insulting posters are frequently also the most easily offended.
Drama queens.
Amusing in small doses.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jun 22, 2015 - 06:08am PT
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seriously qitnl? Did you have coco puffs for breakfast?
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Rockies Obscure
Trad climber
rockiesobscure.com....Canada
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Jun 22, 2015 - 08:04am PT
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How is the KKK not considered a terrorist organization? Cause its born and bred American tradition in some parts?
And what up with killer dude's Macaulay Culkin hair?!
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 22, 2015 - 08:41am PT
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Dylann Roof considers himself Devout a Conservative Christian
and I believe him
Most of the registered hate groups in America are associated with Christianity
Active U.S. Hate Groups
The Southern Poverty Law Center counted 784 active hate groups in the United States in 2014. Only organizations and their chapters known to be active during 2014 are included.
All hate groups have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics.
This list was compiled using hate group publications and websites, citizen and law enforcement reports, field sources and news reports.
Hate group activities can include criminal acts, marches, rallies, speeches, meetings, leafleting or publishing. Websites appearing to be merely the work of a single individual, rather than the publication of a group, are not included in this list. Listing here does not imply a group advocates or engages in violence or other criminal activity. http://www.splcenter.org/hate-map
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 22, 2015 - 08:45am PT
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Good.
That means he's going to hell.
Hell's only for believers.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 22, 2015 - 09:00am PT
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Currently, there are 784 known hate groups operating across the country, including neo-Nazis, Klansmen, white nationalists, neo-Confederates, racist skinheads, black separatists, border vigilantes and others.
Since 2000, the number of hate groups has increased by 30 percent. This surge has been fueled by anger and fear over the nation’s ailing economy, an influx of non-white immigrants, and the diminishing white majority, as symbolized by the election of the nation’s first African-American president.
These factors also are feeding a powerful resurgence of the antigovernment “Patriot” movement, which in the 1990s led to a string of domestic terrorist plots, including the Oklahoma City bombing. The number of Patriot groups, including armed militias, skyrocketed following the election of President Obama in 2008 – rising 813 percent, from 149 groups in 2008 to an all-time high of 1,360 in 2012. The number fell to 874 in 2014.
This growth in extremism has been aided by mainstream media figures (Fox News) and politicians (Republican) who have used their platforms to legitimize false propaganda about immigrants and other minorities and spread the kind of paranoid conspiracy theories on which militia groups thrive.
http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/hate-and-extremism
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 22, 2015 - 09:26am PT
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Sketch, thanks for the explicit count of Christian Hate Groups
But of course that doesn't include the Hate Groups that weren't called Christian, but their members were still devout Christian Conservatives
I guess their God must on their side, and Hate is just as good as greed, torture, lynching, terrorism and letting people suffer for spite.
The Confederacy was a Terrorist Nation, trading humans for slavery or sex, the plantations were concentration camps with the constant cries of torture and rape, and gangs of terrorists would roam the streets looking for blacks to terrorize into either submission or a lynching.
Not only that, But they were traitors to America, and should have been dealt as such.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jun 22, 2015 - 09:39am PT
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I would love to hear one of the "Christians" take on my question...
Nine people MURDERED in the "HOUSE OF GOD"...
That's a tough one. I doubt there's a good answer.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Jun 22, 2015 - 09:58am PT
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God's not in the business of saving people.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 22, 2015 - 09:59am PT
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Regarding mass shootings:
Among developed nations, using per capita statistics, US comes in 6th behind Norway (an aberration due to the terrible events of 2011,) Finland (the real #1,) Slovakia, Switzerland and Israel. Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, UK, Canada and France round out the top twelve. Last I checked these are all developed nations, and other than U.S., these are all countries with very restrictive gun laws. Terrorist incidents such as Charlie Hebdo, or those in Israel are not counted.
This list comes from The Rampage Shooting Index, based on stats gathered by the OECD covering 2009-2013. Another truncated list can be found on Politico, "Still, the U.S. doesn’t rank No. 1. At 0.15 mass shooting fatalities per 100,000 people, the U.S. had a lower rate than Norway (1.3 per 100,000), Finland (0.34 per 100,000) and Switzerland (1.7 per 100,000)." 2000-2014. Again the Norway stat comes from a single incident.
Thus, a very strong argument can be made that additional gun laws will not make a difference. Those who think they will are barking up the wrong tree.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 22, 2015 - 10:07am PT
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One incident.
My point there is that we should disregard the Norway number. Finland is, as I say, the real #1.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jun 22, 2015 - 10:12am PT
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Dylann Roof considers himself Devout a Conservative Christian
and I believe him
Anyone else heard this or have a link? I haven't seen anything to suggest that Roof considered himself to be Christian, devout, conservative, or otherwise.
Not that it's particularly important one way or the other, but I have a suspicion that Fry's just making up crap again. (If I'm wrong, I'll apologize, but I've followed the news coverage and haven't heard anything about Christianity being a part of this tragedy other than that the victims were Christians.)
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 22, 2015 - 10:15am PT
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The answer is
"God was no where to be found, and he obviously does not answer prayers"
I laugh when I hear people say: "I prayed for my family and Through the grace of God, I was saved from the flood"
that took my house and killed my neighbors
Why didn't God just not flood the area??
What about the prayers of your neighbor that was killed, did God forget to listen, or where they just bad people and deserved to die
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PAUL SOUZA
Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
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Jun 22, 2015 - 10:17am PT
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Instead of talking about gun control, why aren't we talking about violence?
Regardless of the weapon of choice, there is still the desire to murder and terrorize. Timothy McVeigh used a bomb, others (just recently too) use cars to mow down large crowds of people, others send letters with anthrax, and some people will just use their hands and strangle someone to death or just simply use a pillow.
So, what underlies this desire to murder and terrorize? Hopelessness? Powerlessness?
That's the issue.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jun 22, 2015 - 10:46am PT
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Fry, if that's the best you can do, I stand by my post.
You wrote that Roof "Roof considers himself Devout a Conservative Christian."
Nothing in your link says what Roof considers himself to be. Remember he wrote a "manifesto" regarding his beliefs--anything about Christianity in there?
Can you post a credible link evidencing what Roof considers himself to be?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jun 22, 2015 - 10:46am PT
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So, what underlies this desire to murder and terrorize? Hopelessness? Powerlessness?
That's the issue.
Agree, Paul, but that doesn't further our existing agendas. As I pointed out earlier, the two biggest mass murders that I recall, Oklahoma City and 9/11, involved no gun violence.
John
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jun 22, 2015 - 10:55am PT
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I would love to hear one of the "Christians" take on my question...
Nine people MURDERED in the "HOUSE OF GOD"...
That's a tough one. I doubt there's a good answer.
My asnwer is that Jesus said safety or protection from murder would happen. The New Testament warns continually that Christians will face persecution, mistreatment and death. It also contains plenty of warnings that some of the perpetrators will purport to be part of the church.
Thus, in a sense, the wisecrack about God not being in the business of saving people has a grain of truth: God never said Christians would have an easy time in this life. Those whose purported "Christianity" denies the Resurrection or eternal life and say that being a "good person" guarantees good circumstances in this life don't get those ideas from the Bible.
God promises to save those who believe in Jesus from the eternal penalty for sin, but not from its consequences. And while he did not guaranty good circumstances, but the opposite (". . . in the world you have tribulation"), He also provides contentment regardless of circumstances.
The trusting, faithful reaction of the members of "Mother Emmanuel" stands in marked contrast to the frenzied dogmatic response of the unbelievers.
John
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