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jonnyrig

climber
May 10, 2015 - 10:48pm PT
Deleting back as far as I can go, as Mr. Ron A. got himself, and all his posts, nuked right off the forum. Without his contributions to the discussion it simply doesn't make any damn sense whatsoever.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
May 11, 2015 - 12:34am PT
Our country is in big trouble, but perhaps not for the reasons discussed in this thread:

The Pentagon's Response to Ted Cruz Regarding Jade Helm 15
Posted: 05/10/2015 8:54 am EDT Updated: 05/10/2015 7:59 pm EDT

Recently, Senator Ted Cruz from Texas asked the Pentagon to clarify its intentions with military exercises in Central Texas called "Jade Helm 15." The Pentagon's response follows:

Dear Senator Cruz:

Thank you for your inquiry into whether the Jade Helm 15 military exercise is the first wave of a federal takeover of Texas, the Trojan Horse, as it were, of the end of sovereignty in the Lone Star State. Our response, contrary to the long tradition of official correspondence and military bureaucracy, is concise: no.

But that's just what you would expect us to say, isn't it?

Perhaps, then, you would prefer not an official proclamation but a reasoned answer. As a master debater in college (Princeton, right?), you surely appreciate the reliability of logic, your public statements over the past few years notwithstanding. If you are disinclined to take the United States Armed Forces at their word when we promise no ill intentions towards Texas, then perhaps your considerable and vaunted intellectual powers, which once posited the regrowth of hymens as a guard against unauthorized incursions in domestic affairs, could be swayed by incontrovertible fact.

I know you think highly of our capabilities. Why else would you advocate for a short war with Iran? If we are indeed that powerful, we could probably launch an attack from any of the 15 U.S. military bases already within Texas' borders. While Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher may have found it necessary, even attractive, to invade countries that can easily be overrun, the present DoD considers such lopsided contests at best unsporting.

As someone who was not born within the borders of this country, it might interest you to know that Texas is already part of the United States. In fact, Texas has twice joined the Union. The first time your adopted state joined the USA in 1845 it set in motion events that led to the Mexican-American War. Later, when Union troops conquered the Southern rebellion, Texas rejoined the Union. It is not, therefore, farfetched to think that Texas' relationship to the rest of the United States could involve war, but please also keep in mind that when we refer to the United States of America, Texas is being implicitly included. We thought about calling it the United States of America and Texas, but we were afraid people might think Texas was a retrograde backwater of reactionary lunatics who think Moses was a Founding Father and laugh at you. This is way better.

Please also consider there are a great many things about Texas and Texan culture that could be threatened by another unnecessary armed conflict between Texas and the United States. We like Texas barbecue. That Green Beret who carried the flag out for the Texas Longhorn football team? That was pretty cool. The wildflowers along the highways are no joke. The late Texan Chris Kyle, the "American sniper," is a hero to many. Texas gave the world Lyndon Johnson, a staggering gift for which America was perhaps not entirely prepared. Without the Lone Star State, the Western swing band Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys would have appeared under the performing name Robert Wills and His Playboys, which is ghastly, or not have existed at all, a possibility that DoD has officially classified as "too awful to contemplate". And we really dig the self-awareness, the love of self that, while occasionally metastasizing into paranoid delusions such as those that motivated your original query, also make Texas a culture with an indelible sense of place.

But, we reiterate, that place is in the United States. On previous visits, we noticed that many of your residents enjoy Social Security and Medicare (you're welcome), volunteer for the armed services, treasure federal parks, wildlife preserves, and wilderness areas, and earn and spend currency backed by the full faith and credit of the United States. With a quick Internet search, I also learned that nearly a third of Texas' total revenue is from Federal funding. In fact, millions of your schoolchildren pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America almost every day. And unlike yourself, they apparently mean it.

There is a fundamental misapprehension that we feel is at the root of your query about our intentions was revealed in a recent comment you made to the press.

We are assured it is a military training exercise. I have no reason to doubt those assurances, but I understand the reason for concern and uncertainty, because when the federal government has not demonstrated itself to be trustworthy in this administration, the natural consequence is that many citizens don't trust what it is saying.

If, Senator Cruz, you believe that the United States military is a political tool of its civilian leadership, you have reached a conclusion unsupported by fact, history and good sense. The troops swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States. To besmirch their loyalty to the country, even in the service of making hackneyed political points in the Republican primary, does not make you a patriot, but a partisan. Even a Princeton and Harvard Law man should know the difference.

Also, it makes you the rudest Canadian we've ever run across.

Sincerely Yours,

Secretary Ashton Carter

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-stanford/the-pentagons-response-to_b_7251254.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

http://www.defense.gov/.../biographydetai...
United States Department of Defense
Ashton B. Carter is the 25th Secretary of Defense. Secretary Carter has spent more than three decades leveraging his knowledge of science and technology, global strategy and policy as well as his deep dedication to the men and women of the Department of Defense to make our nation and the world a safer place.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
May 11, 2015 - 06:35pm PT
The big question still remains????
6 (six) Wal-Marts closed in Texas!!!!1116666

Was it a plumbing problem?
was it union bashing?
Or was it Texas hostage FEMA Camps?????

I guess we will have to wait to find out.


as a research item, did we ever figure out how many Wal-Marts there are in Texas?
I'm sure there are way more than 6 (six)
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
May 11, 2015 - 06:39pm PT
Grammy for Andy!!!!
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
May 11, 2015 - 06:41pm PT
And did you see all those storms in Texas?

That was the U.S. Army warning all those "patriots" down there what else was going to happen if they didn't shut up.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
May 11, 2015 - 06:51pm PT
The weather is obviously controlled by the illuminati, the DOD, and God

Mostly God, he punishes areas with his vengeance for human bad behavior, it says so in the bible.

God has been making the Mid West and South suffer more because of Obama's Israel Policies. No need to believe in Climate Change, It's all part of the Bible's plan of Armageddon because of Obama.

Michele Bachmann: Thanks Obama For Bringing On The Apocalypse


Former Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) expressed a mixture of condemnation and appreciation toward President Barack Obama for, in her words, bringing the world to end times.

"We need to cry out to a Holy God," Bachmann said on Jan Markell's "Understanding the Times" radio show over the weekend. "This is coming faster than anyone can see."

“Barack Obama is intent, it is his number one goal, to ensure that Iran has a nuclear weapon," she said. "Why? Why would you put the nuclear weapon in the hands of madmen who are Islamic radicals?"

Bachmann, however, then seemed to approve of the President moving mankind into "the midnight hour."

"We get to be living in the most exciting time in history," she said, urging fellow Christians to "rejoice."

"Jesus Christ is coming back. We, in our lifetimes potentially, could see Jesus Christ returning to Earth, the Rapture of the Church."

"These are wonderful times," she concluded.

“We have very little time, in my opinion, left before the second return of Christ. That’s good news."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michele-bachmann-obama-end-times-iran

Just another good Right Wing Republican Christian extremist voted in by duped voters. Did she help anyone in her district? The data says NO.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
May 11, 2015 - 07:15pm PT
Inspired work Timid!

Has Texas been disarmed yet?

Last time I drove through the panhandle a fracas broke out in a Waffle House and I realized I was the only one in the joint who wasn't heeled.
philo

Trad climber
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel or a tr
May 11, 2015 - 07:34pm PT
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 11, 2015 - 08:25pm PT
Last time I drove through the panhandle a fracas broke out in a Waffle House and I realized I was the only one in the joint who wasn't heeled.

I hope yer smart enough to realize you were also prolly the only one not packing.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
May 11, 2015 - 09:00pm PT
Go Heeled - To carry a six-shooter, also "packing iron."

http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-slang-h.html
Gary

Social climber
From A Buick 6
May 11, 2015 - 09:39pm PT

Go Heeled - To carry a six-shooter, also "packing iron."

No, he meant "high-heeled". It can get lonesome out there on the Texas prairie, those goat ropers can get a might strange. NTTAWWT.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 12, 2015 - 07:45am PT
Stahl, HaHaHaHa! Silly me assumed that you just weren't decked out in gator-skinned
Tony Lamas. It's getting harder to stay au courant, n'est ce pas?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 12, 2015 - 08:07am PT
There's a real simple explanation for six stores closing over repeated plumbing problems.

The plans for the stores most likely have the plumbing sheets all signed by the same mechanical engineer that specified the wrong piping system.

Gary

Social climber
From A Buick 6
May 12, 2015 - 09:22am PT
Now, now, TGT. Don't go ruining this thread with rational thoughts!
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
May 12, 2015 - 09:23am PT
How dare American troops plan to train on American soil?

How dare they?!?!?!!
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
May 12, 2015 - 10:48am PT
Ain't no doubt about that!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 12, 2015 - 10:53am PT
Like most other states don't? I bet on a per capita basis Texas doesn't
rank very highly, especially if you factor in defense contractors (ship
builders, aircraft builders, etc.).
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
May 12, 2015 - 10:59am PT
Have we wondered why six major Walmart stores across the country suddenly closed over night recently

No.

I am too busy celebrating to "wonder."
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
May 12, 2015 - 11:02am PT
Reilly, most other states aren't freaking out about the pending invasion, apocalypse, end times, dogs and cats sleeping together......
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
May 12, 2015 - 12:03pm PT
Here you go........

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/
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