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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Oct 17, 2018 - 01:58pm PT
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Good Gawd Happy, give it a rest. You are part of the problem; one of division.
No, I won't shut up. As for "giving it a rest;" perhaps if Kevin gave it a rest when people BEGGED him to, he might not have had his history taken off the forum, hmmm?
Progression towards equal treatment has come a long ways and sure, has a long long way to go still but why turn it into an "us against them"? Pretty much guarantees you'll continue to stay alone.
I DIDN'T turn it into an "Us v Them" fight. That's part of the myth - that when a minority points out aggressive/abusive/obnoxious behavior, a selection of people SOMEHOW assume the finger is being pointed not only at them, but every single member of whatever group they have in common with the one whose behavior was pointed out.
Here's the deal - When women are saying "No More," they are WELL aware that there are a good percentage of decent men who are not "part of the problem," to use your own phrase.
Not all men are misogynists. Not all priests are pedophiles. Not all cops will shoot a black male rather than risking a second or two to analyze the situation. Not all politicians are corrupt. Not all park rangers hate climbers, and so on.
If a person considers themself part of a group that has come under a spotlight, that might be their conscience tapping them on the shoulder, I suppose.
Edit - Oh, just noticed the "stay alone" barb. How very kind of you. Guess what? I LIKE my life. I like the unencumbered freedom I have being a single unit. And if who I am is so unattractive to a man, that doesn't bother me a whit. A guy who wants a submissive female would never have been attracted to me know matter how cleverly I disguised the fact that I know what I know.
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dhayan
climber
culver city, ca
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Oct 17, 2018 - 02:50pm PT
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Good Gawd Happy, give it a rest. You are part of the problem; one of division. I never read Kevin bashing women. He just had the BALLS to admit we are not equal in every way and let's stop pretending that we are. Women are far superior to men and any guy lucky enough to have a gal willing to stick around and help run the homestead is doing OK in my book.
Look we are all partners on this planet and somehow we ended up here together. I'm glad you have skills that I don't and hopefully maybe you will recognize a few of mine. Progression towards equal treatment has come a long ways and sure, has a long long way to go still but why turn it into an "us against them"? Pretty much guarantees you'll continue to stay alone.
Arne
Wow, guess warbler can rest easy knowing you’re carrying the torch...real classy post.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 17, 2018 - 04:43pm PT
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Bump
I must say I don't object to its being called McNamara's War. I think it is a very important war and I am pleased to be identified with it and do whatever I can to win it.
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
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Oct 17, 2018 - 10:27pm PT
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^^^^ ionlyski/Arne is a real piece of sh#t.
Always has been.
Always will be.
But I'll buy you a beer when I pass through your way:)
DMT-is that you?
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johntp
Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
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Oct 18, 2018 - 06:26pm PT
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I never read Kevin bashing women.
Arne- KW put up many posts disparaging women. He shouldn't have been banned, but he should have had the sense to tone down his rhetoric.
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Oct 18, 2018 - 06:55pm PT
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IMO, The Warbler was not a misogynist. A little hung up on "the differences" between men and women, maybe, and what that might mean in terms of "performance". But I never saw someone who had contempt for women. I usually read his posts with interest, although not always with the agreement. We did agree that "climbing" and "free climbing" are essentially one and the same
And whether or not there's any truth to the rumor, I think Sycorax and The Warbler are "tal para cual", as they say in Spanish.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Oct 18, 2018 - 07:49pm PT
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There's always something to be learned here!
Couchmaster! Re your post:
And Fritz, a little heads up to your blindside: you do the same thing as KW with your viewpoints. The difference is that you are much more self righteous in your views and your climbing contributions pale in comparison to this thread alone. That's doesn't mean I think you should be banned any more than Kevin who seemed like a good guy even whom I often found myself disagreeing with.
Thank you for taking the time & to “set me straight.” Since I was raised in rural Idaho as a Red-state Republican, I always appreciate a little “tough-love!”
Heidi’s father, who was raised in rural North Dakota, had a story about the kid he beat up three-times & the kid still wouldn’t be his friend.
I know your gruff at times posts, likely are not your real personality.
Best wishes!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 18, 2018 - 07:53pm PT
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I must say I don't object to its being called McNamara's War. I think it is a very important war and I am pleased to be identified with it and do whatever I can to win it.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 18, 2018 - 08:05pm PT
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WTF, another top flight contributor erased along with a significant chunk of original history. For what, humorous bantering with over sensitive bimbo's?
This place is about as lively and engaging as a funeral home lately.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Oct 18, 2018 - 08:26pm PT
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Ha!
I just read that post to my wife, Rick.
She said you were doing fine until you wrote bimbo's.
It's bimbos.
(Dude ... honestly. Your PC filter must be clogged)
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And you, Fritz!
You rascal ...
I'm saddling you with this whole shebang.
You are the one who called Kevie a fokking misogynist, prompting him to post that flip the bird picture for you.
Now that was a good thread. Until locker crashed it.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Oct 18, 2018 - 08:47pm PT
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My favorite thread and one Kevin enjoyed and contributed to prolifically- "Notes on San Diego Rock Climbing", OP- Ray Olson.
Ray, BVB and Kevin rifting in the woven vernacular of surf and rock, disjointed in perfect clarity- it reads like the Pump House Gang.
Ray and BVB are gone but I encourage you to read what they left behind on that thread. You'll encounter the odd blank spot here and there, once occupied by Kevin's comments.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Oct 18, 2018 - 09:04pm PT
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Tarbuster! Re your kindly comment!
And you, Fritz!
You rascal ...
I'm saddling you with this whole shebang.
You are the one who called Kevie a fokking misogynist, prompting him to post that flip the bird picture for you.
My fault, I'm sure!
So many, many, mis-steps are my fault.
And I'm always ready to admit them.
It's part of having stayed married to Heidi for 30 + years.
And Roy, while I'm apologizing, I'm still kinda-sorry for stealing my favorite image of all those you have posted on ST.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Oct 18, 2018 - 09:14pm PT
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Hi Fritz!
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Cheesus-Cripes!
Contractor reminded me I resaved, maybe ... the Notes on San Diego Rock Climbing thread to PDF recently, and wrote it over the original I had. If I had one ...
Going to have to see if I can suck the earlier one, if it exists, out of my Carbonite backup and find Kevin's old posts. Fingers crossed.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 18, 2018 - 09:32pm PT
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Thanks for the heads up on the errant apostrophe Roy. You're doing a good job of resurrecting state edited history. On another note- was it you that I caught a ride with from Tahoe to Yosemite in a late spring snowstorm about 1980?
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Oct 18, 2018 - 09:42pm PT
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Rick,
Possibly ...
May of 1980 I moved to Mammoth Lakes.
I met this guy named Jerome Carlian, at the time 29 years old, who lived in Kings Beach. I was introduced by Hugh Burton's Wife, Kathy Dermitzakis.
He owned two Fiat coupes, both red. Lived in a tiny yellow cabin.
I owned a white Toyota SR five pickup, with one green door.
I visited him that spring, once or twice.
Not sure I remember giving anybody a ride to the Valley from Tahoe, however.
Any of that sound familiar?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 18, 2018 - 10:24pm PT
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Actually it was from Strawberry (The Leap) to Yo Roy. I vaguely remember a fair amount of talk of rodeos and big walls.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Oct 18, 2018 - 10:46pm PT
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I hadn't been to any rodeos at that point, or ever ...
Only big wall I had under my belt was The Nose, from the year prior.
... And the Pan Am on El Gran Trono Blanco, Mex
But Jerome did by a copy of your guidebook later that year.
We'd been using the red guide prior, during spring.
Climbed:
Something on Hogsback
East Corner, I think I stepped right to get over the roof
Surrealistic Pillar to Travelers Buttress
90 foot wall, top roped some 5.9 on the right side, probably Fallout … on acid, in a snowstorm.
Couple of things on Ball Buster Rock
X Rated at the Black Wall, maybe ... or just looked at it.
Crystal Bay Boulder
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Oct 19, 2018 - 05:12am PT
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Fritz, I hope you're well.
Happy Girl, I wish you all the best in your climbing, quest for vehicular staying power, and spirited ramblings.
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Though he's no longer welcome here on Supertopo,
In several installments, (or however many it takes) I'm now going to slavishly repatriate this thread with Kevin's original posts, including the posts of other's to which Kevin was responding.
Here is Kevin's first post which appeared on the Welcome to Kevin Worrall thread:
Sep 14, 2006 - 12:16am PT
Talkin' shop on the net sure beats those nights in the smoky mountain room bar or some funky smellin' camper. Roger - those
days on Middle were the best- the adventure, the virgin eversofine stone, that cheshire cat grin on Meyers' face! Kathy, what's a
'69 D18 in OK condition worth for a trade-in? Mike - you've reminded me that on Free Blast we were on a youthfully idealistic
mission to raise the free climbing standards above all (we should have kept going!). Mr. Nay, Blitzo - all you guys - thanks for the
warm welcome.
A priceless conversation string between Werner & Kevin, from the Welcome to Kevin Worrall thread:
Sep 14, 2006 - 12:27am PT
On Quicksilver, the second pitch. WTF were you guys thinking back then. I could've died from that run out.
It didn't happen, and look where we ended up.
Here?
Bawhahahaha ..... oh man.
Sep 14, 2006 - 12:41am PT
Sorry Wonder Brawn. Ask Vern, he led the second pitch. I think we were thinkin we'd run out of bolts if we placed too many and we
didn't have the scatch to buy more. Besides, when's the last time you fell on a 5.9? or a 5.10? or a 5.11 for that matter?
Sep 14, 2006 - 12:45am PT
Kauk told me to lead that pitch because it's the "easy one".
Sh#t .........
Sep 14, 2006 - 12:51am PT
What was that Chappy quote about Kauk's stretching program? something like "the only thing he stretches is the truth"! har har!
 These are re-posts of the same stuff I put on the Warbler Appreciation thread, and I will continue from here after a bit, so this thread has everything he posted to it, from the beginning to that point at which I saved this thread to PDF, prior to the deletions of Kevin's contributions.
And yes, faithful readers, it's only a coincidence that I made this post at 5.12 am Pacific Standard Time.
Berg heil!
– Roy
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couchmaster
climber
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Oct 19, 2018 - 07:38am PT
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Hey Fritz, I just reread my comment and it's right as far as it goes, but I forgot the rest of it. ie, I'm sure that you, like Kevin, is a real good dude. I'd tie in with either of you anyday.
Thread is awesome Roy, please keep up the good work! Re-reading the thing and seeing so many top tier Yos climbers weighing in back when is still fantastic.
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