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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Nov 21, 2014 - 07:12am PT
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Welcome to Look Out! Danger! This shows the first anchor off the ground, supposedly ALL hooks! The next pitch was rated A6+, with a supposed potential ground-fall from more than 150 feet up!
Called “The hardest aid climb in the world” by Climb, an online climbing magazine, the real story is now known, and it’s not pretty.
On this site you can follow the progress of the second ascent (SA), which I completed in early July of 2012. I posted ongoing reports and pictures during the ascent, which you can see in the list of articles in the right sidebar (highest are newest).
Climbing Magazine, in its online version, questions the unprecedented A6+ rating (as even an A6 rating has never been confirmed for any route), but it acknowledges the probable severe nature of the route.
The Titan in the Fisher Towers of Southeastern Utah. Scene of the route, “Look Out! Danger!” This is 1200 feet of vertical mud!
Everything about the unprecedented rating was based up the team’s earlier ascent of Intifada, also in the Fisher Towers, which had been rated A6 by the solo first-ascentionist. The “Look out; Danger!” team claimed that it is harder than Intifada.
However, when Mark Smith and I did the second ascent of Intifada, we found only a fairly short section of severe climbing and down-rated the entire route from A6 to A4+, shocking the climbing community. Subsequent American teams found that section a bit harder than we did, and the route settled in at a hard but not uncommon rating of A5.
The Spanish team responsible for “Look Out; Danger!” based their rating on the obsolete Intifada rating of A6, apparently unaware of the more than 18-year-old history of that route. Not only was Intifada not what the FA team of “Look Out” thought it was, it turns out that “Look Out” isn’t even close to as hard as Intifada!
As a veteran of such difficult routes as Wings of Steel, Winds of Change, the Sea of Dreams, Intifada, and others, my report of what I found on the SA of “Look Out” (and my rating of it) is credible.
And, as you can see in the many articles on the right sidebar, I carefully documented what I found on the SA of the route. Pictures don’t lie, and, as the climbing community knows, neither do I.
In a nutshell….
The FA of “Look Out! Danger!” was an EPIC BOTCH job, and on this site I will carefully demonstrate the facts to support that claim. Not only was this route nothing close to “the hardest aid climb in the world,” it wasn’t even “hard” at all, not even close to Intifada!
And, unlike Intifada, “Look Out” doesn’t even follow a “line” at all. It was instead a completely manufactured “route,” with virtually every placement requiring drilling. The “route” as I found it was essentially an unsustainable bashie-ladder, with huge holes drilled about every 18 to 24 inches. The “hardest” natural sections were very short (30 feet or less), and I rated them A3 only because “A2+” is a ridiculous rating; these sections were not even really A3, but the placements are a bit more “technical” than I think A2 really captures. So, being generous, some short sections of the “route” are A3.
The “hook anchor” was deeply drilled, and even included huge, deep holes fore and aft into which I was able to sink baby angles. And, worse yet, the “hook anchor” isn’t even necessary. It is placed in the middle of a normal-length pitch, so I just bypassed it entirely during the SA and instead anchored in a good crack higher up. So, even the “hook anchor” (the basis of the A6+ rating) is manufactured, unnecessary, and clearly used TO prop up the huge rating.
The route turned out to be an easy bashie-ladder, done in the poorest possible “style,” and to denote the reality of the “route,” I have renamed it: Look Out! Weak Sauce!
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Works for me....
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 21, 2014 - 07:23am PT
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Damn, that's funny!
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Rivet hanger
Trad climber
Barcelona
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Nov 21, 2014 - 07:27am PT
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So not in Catalonia and India...
Only restricted to the States? Interesting...
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coolrockclimberguy69
climber
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Nov 21, 2014 - 07:29am PT
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Gumbyclimber,
That is very interesting stuff you relate, under an anonymous avatar.
Can you please identify yourself? Only with identity can you have credibility. Some here may know who you are, but most of us do not.
Thanks,
Peter Zabrok
Ontario, Canada
gumbyclimber = Singer
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 21, 2014 - 09:50am PT
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Gumby dude seems to have plenty of street cred.
Good stuff couch!
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j-tree
Big Wall climber
Typewriters and Ledges
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Nov 21, 2014 - 10:09am PT
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Rivet hanger
014 - 12:42am PT
But the thing is that www.conclusivesystems.com/danger doesn't work at all, at least in Barcelona. Delhi Dog
Nov 21, 2014 - 06:01am PT
Actually they don't work for me here in Delhi either though the Intifada link does (go figure).
In that case I obviously retract my stupid accusation Rivet, which makes me happy. I look forward to your doggedly myopic and repetitive posts in the same darkly humorous way that I love reading the confirmation bias leaden arguments of far right conservative and far left conservative political posts in the political forums over here.
You will always remain my favorite troll that doesn't seem to know they're a troll accounts on ST.
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That being said, I wonder if the issue with access overseas is based upon that one page or the entire collection of blog posts Jensen made about Pelut's route? The link we can see over here also gives the archived links to previous blog posts, I'll link them here in case those are visible to you so you can see if the issue is indeed "Server problems or spiritual odyssey to erase evidences." (though i believe that this issue arose in previous threads and Clint Cummins gave direct links that accordingly the Delhi Dog, still are unavailable outside of the states. If that's the case, I'll be happy to archive the webpages and send them to you via the user email on this site.)
Fundraising Complete, Climbing in Early May!
Final Prep!
Packing food and making aluma-heads
May 14: Moving loads/Sorting
May 16: Which way?
May 17: Much is revealed….
May 18: Holes and Rivets
May 20: Second Pitch is Up
May 21: Pitch 1 Cleaned… many shots, w/ hook anchor!
May 23: Random Thoughts
Video Checking Out the Hook Anchor
Direct Link to Video
May 29: Pitch 3 is up…
June 4: With family this week
https://June 8: Topo From the FA Team
June 12: Of Pineapples
June 13: Gag… the Heat!
June 19: Update and Lots of Pics
June 23: Higher Camp… More Pics
June 27: Almost Up
July 1: Top Tomorrow!
July 2: I’m Up!
July 3: I’m Down!
July 4: It’s Over!
Topos of the Route
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Rivet hanger
Nov 21, 2014 - 12:42am PT
I'm sure you also see wooden wedeges on the wall, maybe the same wooden wedges that Royal Robbins used during his trip to Catalonia in May 1966 (in Pedraforca massif together with his Catalan close friend Josep Manel Anglada).
Yeah, no. Wedges of the kind Pelut used aren't a thing in Yosemite where I climb. Not saying they aren't elsewhere, just that those are not something that are used in that manner. We do use wooden blocks along with cams (and in the past, bongs) to aid through sections wider than larger cams, but I believe that's something that's been explained in previous threads.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 21, 2014 - 10:45am PT
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The reason the site isn't working from outside the US and Canada is that our conclusivesystems.com server is behind a secure firewall. We were getting so many hack attempts from India, China, and, yes, Spain, that we've placed everything in our rack behind an IP-range-blocker to completely lock out IPs not in the US and Canada. This has cut the number of hack attempts to virtually zero.
If it matters to anybody, I'll move the site elsewhere, but that will break all old links, as it will no longer be on our conclusivesystems.com domain.
Other than that, I don't plan to get dragged into this hoary, old debate. All questions thus far: asked and answered. I don't lie about climbs, which is well-established at this point.
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Rockies Obscure
Trad climber
rockiesobscure.com....Canada
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Nov 21, 2014 - 10:51am PT
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madbolter,
I live in Canada, your website works just fine clicking on the above links, just so you know it works fine up here.
Also I have a copy of your Wings book, good read.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 22, 2014 - 06:37pm PT
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Thank you, Rockies. I'm glad you enjoyed the book.
Yeah, anybody in the USA or Canada should have no trouble getting to the site. If I knew a (small) IP range for Rivet, I'd even be happy to open that up for him/her, whatever.
The IP blocking is the cat's meow, however. We went from hundreds and hundreds of hack attempts per month to maybe one or two, often none, per month. So, we'll keep that in place. LOL
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Nov 22, 2014 - 07:53pm PT
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Hey Mad...yep no linkage here with any of those so your secure firewall seems to be doing what it should. I don't doubt you for whatever that's worth anyway, I just find this conversation pretty interesting.
But hey I can wait 'til I get back so don't change anything if you don't need to:-)
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Nov 22, 2014 - 08:23pm PT
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I took this photo earlier today for other reasons but want to post it here just to celebrate the real deal......climbing in the best form possible. God, after reading that Fisher Tower thread I need to vomit.
PS MadBolter1; is there a link or photos for your WOS climb? Would love to see some. Just read the book. I have plenty of images I've made up in my head from the book but wouldn't mind the actual perspective. Inspiring. Cheers!
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Nov 22, 2014 - 09:30pm PT
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'Trolling' anti Semitism in a route name is still anti semitic.
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j-tree
Big Wall climber
Typewriters and Ledges
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Nov 23, 2014 - 11:59am PT
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Munge, are you trying to veer this thread into an abstract argument about the place and viability of humor and satire?
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Nov 23, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
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nope, but nice try on your part just there. ;)
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 23, 2014 - 07:05pm PT
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Hey, QITNL, I really appreciate the offer. I'll look into options we have for getting the site out of our rack and out from behind that ultra-paranoid firewall. I hate to put anybody out, and we do have options. But thank you very much for your kindness.
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Rivet hanger
Trad climber
Barcelona
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Dec 29, 2014 - 07:35am PT
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J-tree: Wood wedges have been widely used in Europe since the very beginning of climbing. And we still do use it. The same with lead heads. Ask Kristoffer Wickstrom next time you find him in Yosemite. The most surprising thing is that these are completely unkmnown techniques in the States. As I say, Royal Robbins used wedeges to protect off-widhts in 1966 in Pedraforca.
Richy: I'm sorry for the massive attacks against conclusivesystems.com server. Public appearence often holds these things.
But to be honest there's a thing that I do not catch. Why don't you migrate conclusivesystems.com to jensenconsultations.com? You placed there your most outstanding climbings, so, you mean placing a rivet ladder in the Towers and belay chains is not outstanding?
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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Dec 29, 2014 - 07:44am PT
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Dec 29, 2014 - 09:30am PT
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That is a flat leeper placement up thread.
Just sayin.
I want to hear about his Quarterdome A4 FA he did this year.
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