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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 13, 2014 - 12:38pm PT
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Once again for those suffering from reading comprehension deficit.
Apr 13, 2014 - 09:32am PT
No reason that should happen.
But long term degradation of their habitat by overgrazing will.
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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Apr 13, 2014 - 12:45pm PT
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"I thought it was about compliance with the law and not about helping American tax payers."
If it was about compliance with the law, and not collection of back fees - then show up with one sheriff, a warrant, and arrest him. Duh.
If it was about back fees - which is one premise that many of you have been arguing then IT IS about helping the taxpayer as public land is owned by the taxpayer, and thus his back fees are owed to "us". So recovery of those fees should not cost more than the money recovered, otherwise the ROI is negative and value is TAKEN from the Treasury, not RETURNED.
If it is about the tortoise, or solar, or some other BS, then the same premise applies - the value returned to the treasury should still exceed the cost to get it.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 13, 2014 - 12:52pm PT
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Would it be OK with you if it were a Fracking operation promoted by the Kochs?
Like you give a damn about the environment.
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Sanskara
climber
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Apr 13, 2014 - 12:59pm PT
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Simple the red neck f*#ker should be hauled into court. If he is found guilty either he pay all his back taxes or go to jail just like the any other one of us would that refused to pay his taxes.
Local to me on the east coast I know of a very successful guy a friend of a family member. Anyway this guy was mid 50's very successful owned a successful steel tubing business and just stopped paying his taxes like ten years ago. Any normal person would ask why and think he must have been having $$$ problems or something. Nope, come to find out via his father his business was thriving and money was great. I guess this guy had got caught up with some real right wing extremest anti government militia type folk and sunk real deep into the sub culture. His parents say he for real preoccupied with collecting weapons and almost a paranoia that the government was planning a take over. I guess he skydiving starred taking extended trips out west and to the kid west that seemed extremely odd.
Anyway the guy is doing like 10 years in prison. And rightfully so!
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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Apr 13, 2014 - 01:02pm PT
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Philo, do you have any idea what you are talking about?
Hypothetically, would tortoises fair better on the ground of a solar installation with no vegetation, or this...
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 13, 2014 - 01:06pm PT
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If you are opposed to solar farms, make your voices heard. I oppose many of them too... at least until they retrofit urban areas with all the panels they possibly can. We can work together on that one!
But Bundy was illegally grazing his cattle on BLM land, despite numerous court orders to stop, and owes over $1 million in back fees and fines. No way in hell 600,000 acres was his before they BLM supposedly took it from him, as idiots here suggest.
First it was for the turtles, then oil, then minerals, then solar farms... blah blah blah.
The only clear fact that has persisted through this bullshit it... Bundy was illegally grazing his cattle on BLM land for a long fuking time, ignored multiple court orders, and then threatened violence when they came to get his cattle off public land. Good old Mormon rancher.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Apr 13, 2014 - 01:07pm PT
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The federal government will do as it will with its land. Bundy has no legal title in that land any more than I do. What am I missing?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 13, 2014 - 01:08pm PT
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I don't give a damn about the Desert Tortoise
or any other turtle
as chief says, millions of species have gone extinct on this planet, what's another one?
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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Apr 13, 2014 - 01:08pm PT
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I'd still love to hear how it was a good idea to spend $3 million to get $1 million...
Weschrist? Philo? Anybody?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 13, 2014 - 01:09pm PT
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One day, you or your ancestors will wish for these guns you had tried to ban.
explain how increasing background checks to weed out felons is "banning" legal ownership
thanks
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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Apr 13, 2014 - 01:17pm PT
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^^^^ That's why France ended up the way it is....
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Apr 13, 2014 - 01:18pm PT
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^^^^^ Only the ones they hadn't "euthanized" and buried on that "fragile tortoise habitat" with a backhoe. Not to mention all the motherless and terrorized calves that did/will die!
Had ONE shot been fired, there would have been a thousand outraged Americans show up in support for every militiaman there.
My biggest issue was not the Bundy standoff, but the use of raw and contemptuous paramilitary power by a previously regulatory agency, not another armed Government Gestapo group with Assault rifles and attack dogs. Virtually every Federal agency these days has armed gestapo agents, and that includes the EPA and IRS. Not sure about OSHA, but I wouldn't put it past them to want one. it's a matter of departmental "prestige," you see.
And for the rest of you participating in this "discussion/slanderfest," this makes me wonder if you really understand why ordinary Americans don't want to surrender their gun RIGHTS! Nobody wants to "go to war" with their neighbors or community. The war is sometimes brought to the doorstep.
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Sanskara
climber
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Apr 13, 2014 - 01:23pm PT
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Yeah because you right wing gun loving nut case freak shows are nothing but a bunch of country style thugs. I really don't see any difference between you country red neck hicks and the minorities in our inner cities that rule with a iron fist weapons and thuggery.
Look the government is just dotting all its I's and crossing all its T's. The government will deal with this per the boundaries of the law and as they see fit. Just possibly our government did the responsible thing after you wack jobs showed up and decided to go back to the drawing board and organize a less confrontational manner of resolving this issue avoiding a blood bath of any sort. I think as a society as of late it has become clear a blood bath has to be considered a real possibility as it happens with such frequency these days.
As for us turning into Ukraine sure in think long term it is possible. Anything is!
I also feel that if this is where the world is heading the best thing that could happen is we all just f*#king kill each other and go by the way of the dinosaurs. Humans really are quite pathetic. A bunch of selfish one way thinking f*#ks with only one real priority. Personal agenda and self preservation of it. Not very impressive imop from a species that actually has the potential and capacity to do whatever it is it decided to put its mind to...
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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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Apr 13, 2014 - 01:26pm PT
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The war is sometimes brought to the doorstep.
When, exactly?
You and your beloved gun nut brethren are arming yourselves for war?
Get help.
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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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Apr 13, 2014 - 01:29pm PT
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Good one. Another gem from the mental patient.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Apr 13, 2014 - 01:32pm PT
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Armed men are Citizens; unarmed men are Subjects. That was the issue at Lexington. That was the issue at Concord.
All you subjects, have a nice day.
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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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Apr 13, 2014 - 01:33pm PT
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Fend who off?
You're insane. Much more likely a threat to yourself than to me.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 13, 2014 - 01:35pm PT
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Who here really cares about the damn Desert Tortoise?
and the baby calves, boo hoo
all you libtards make me want to get my gun out and serve my country again, in a jungle
two can wave the flag
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 13, 2014 - 01:38pm PT
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Yeah...! Let's take back America...! rj
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