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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 14, 2014 - 12:48pm PT
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I doubt the bears here in SoCal ever hibernate.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Jan 14, 2014 - 12:50pm PT
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In the process of filling out my cow elk tag for the Fall lottery hunt and came across this in the Arizona Game and Fish online application. I think it helps explain how honest sporstmen (and women and children) provide so much support for wildlife conservation in this country.
"Thank You hunters and recreational shooters
Arizona’s rich outdoor heritage is enjoyed by all — thanks to hunters like you, whose purchase
of hunting and recreational shooting equipment supports wildlife management
and habitat enhancement in the Grand Canyon State.
When you purchase a rifle, ammunition, archery equipment, and other sporting gear,
you pay a federal excise tax and import duties.
Since 1937, this money has been collected by the federal government and
redistributed to the states using a formula based on hunting license sales and
the state’s land area. In 2013, that meant more than $13.2 million for game management in Arizona. This money paid for game surveys, hunter education classes, wildlife water catchment construction, wildlife research and shooting range development and operations, among other projects.
Hunters like you are part of the largest and most successful wildlife conservation programs in the world...thank you."
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scuffy b
climber
heading slowly NNW
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Jan 14, 2014 - 12:56pm PT
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I don't get the Kirk Douglas reference.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Jan 14, 2014 - 01:06pm PT
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There's elf in the Rockies?
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Jan 14, 2014 - 01:12pm PT
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Haha, nice edit.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 14, 2014 - 02:02pm PT
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Down here in LaLaLand when the going gets tough the tough go hot-tubbing.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jan 14, 2014 - 03:56pm PT
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I know plenty of visla, gsp, and pointer owners that have picked buckshot out of their dogs hunting in Imperial Valley. I'll never go there; my shorthair is part of the family. Most the people I know do trips out of state, including the former #1 field GSP in CA. I've had more success lately taking my gsp to AZ to visit my dad. Too bad the Quail #'s seem to be down over there last two years.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Jan 14, 2014 - 04:04pm PT
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I just ran some Duck hunters off my place yesterday.
I loved their excuse , "I didn't think anyone owned this"
They were nice folks though.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 14, 2014 - 04:12pm PT
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"I didn't think anyone owned this"
They must have been members of Ducks Uninhibited By Thought.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Jan 14, 2014 - 04:13pm PT
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I know this forum is filled with hate against gun owners and hunters. Here is some curious information lifted from the Arizona Game and Fish website. My hopes in introducing these statistics is that some of the anti-sportsmen might open their eyes to the value of responsible resource management. Surely sportsmen spend far more on conservation then climbers.
The Economic Importance of Hunting and Fishing
Fishing and hunting recreation generates spending that has a powerful effect on Arizona’s economy. More than 255,000 anglers spend an estimated $831.5 million on equipment and trip-related expenditures annually. Hunters, more than 135,000 of them, account for an additional $126.5 million in retail sales. This combined $958 million in spending creates an economic impact of $1.34 billion to the state of Arizona. Furthermore, this spending supports more than 17,000 jobs, provides residents with $314 million in salary and wages and generates more than $58 million in state tax revenue.
*note this does not seem to mention all the licenses and tags we have to purchase
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Jan 14, 2014 - 04:32pm PT
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No problem, Ron.
It is almost crazy how rabid some climbers get about the concept of hunting.
In my opinion some climbers do far more damage to natural areas than most hunters - building trails, trundling boulders, "gardening", grid bolting, etc. It is a sport in which people proudly proclaim themselves to be "dirtbags" (camping illegally in parks, dumpster diving, climbing on private property, illegal trail construction, etc). I know lots of climbers who will do anything to save a dollar. In contrast, all the hunters I know go to work (i.e. have jobs) and have no problem paying all the fees necessary to get the privilege to hunt / fish.
I know there are rotten apples in every bunch and the last statement was a sweeping generalization, just want to point out some differences in the two pursuits.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 14, 2014 - 04:38pm PT
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That was my point. I don't think very many members of Ducks Unlimited would
use that lame of an excuse. I know quite a few of those folks and they
are all very considerate.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Jan 14, 2014 - 04:49pm PT
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I'm on a roll, but will stop after posting a little more data about hunting:
Hunting Quick Facts
Americans spent more than 282 million days hunting in 2011.
Sportsmen contribute nearly $8 million a day that goes to support wildlife agencies and conservation.
As of 2012, hunters and target shooters have paid more than $7.2 billion in excise taxes through the Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration Act since its passage in 1937.
Hunting supports more than 680,000 jobs each year in the United States.
Hunters spent a total of $38.3 billion last year that had a total economic multiplier effect of $86.9 billion across the U.S. economy.
Hunting overall brought in more revenue ($38.3 billion) than Google ($37.9 billion) or Goldman Sachs Group ($36.8 billion).
If hunting were a company, the amount spent by sportsmen to support their hunting activities would place it number 73 on the Fortune 500 list.
Educate yourself here:
http://www.nssf.org/PDF/research/HuntingInAmerica_EconomicForceForConservation.pdf
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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Jan 14, 2014 - 04:50pm PT
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It doesn't matter if you have 1 acre or 100,000 acres, people will try to do what they shouldn't on it.
Just a personel reflection on patrolling landholdings.
The few bad guys get gates shut for the rest of us.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Jan 14, 2014 - 05:22pm PT
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Excellent point Q-Ball: "The few bad guys get gates shut for the rest of us." There are some serious losers in the climbing community, just as their are in the hunting community.
Some random musings between the two pursuits, minutes ago while splitting firewood:
If I came on this forum and said, "Hey I am looking for information on how to pull off climbing the Totem Pole" (a tall, slender spire which is technically off-limits to climbing as it lies on the Navajo Nation). On this forum you would likely get dozens of replies, filled with tips, photos, trip reports and all sorts of beta to successfully nab this beauty of a spire.
On the other hand, if I went to a hunting forum and said, "Hey, there is this beautiful bull elk I saw over in Unit 7W, and I'm wondering if anyone has tips on how I can pull him out of there tomorrow without being caught." You would probably be banned from the forum and in all likelihood (hopefully anyway), you would have a law enforcement officer at your door the next day asking you a few questions.
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