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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Bacon is gross.
When I tell people I stopped eating meat for a few years they always ask "even chicken?!?" In disbelief. Idiots.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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This is a great thread!
While there is a diversity of opinions, the bigger issue is getting people thinking about all this. When you do, you realize that there are different paths available.
From a medical perspective, meat in the quantities Americans eat, is clearly not healthy. It promotes obesity, clogging of the arteries, heart attacks and strokes. That tendency has built entire industries (medical and pharmaceutical) to deal with the outcomes.
Do you really think harvesting of veggies has no environmental impact? Agreed that if we all lived on farms and grew our own food the world would be better. That is just not practical given our urban lifestyle.
Possibly not. However, here in LA, urban central, there are many who do. There are community gardens where people grow much of their food. We also have individuals that are doing remarkable things.
take a look at this TED talk by a black guy in South Central LA, who fought the City Bureaucracy, and won. And is changing his community. Look at how he, who is scared of speaking, gets up in front of a bunch of rich people, and tells them: "when you leave here, just plant some sh*t!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=392&v=lEsS_YvudEE
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Here is a story of a guy who put in an aggressive backyard farm, and produces 6,000 lbs of food on 1/10th of an acre of land:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
"growing food yourself is a dangerous act, because you are in danger of becoming free"
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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I don't advocate that growing at home is the only path, or even the preferred path.....simply that it is a path that many don't realize exists.
I don't have a huge garden at home--it was only tomatoes and peppers in containers, this year. I suppose I could graze a few cows? I have had ducks. (didn't eat them, the coyotes took care of that....)
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Vegetarian Dog and Cat Food Warnings
Lew Olson, PhD, author of Raw and Natural Nutrition for Dogs, makes this analogy: “Trying to feed a cat a vegan diet would be like me feeding my horses meat. You’re taking a whole species of animal and trying to force it to eat something that it isn’t designed to handle.”
“For cats, it’s really inappropriate. It goes against their physiology and isn’t something I would recommend at all," says Cailin Heinze, VMD, a board-certified veterinary nutritionist and assistant professor of nutrition at Tufts Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine.
"For dogs, certainly vegetarian and vegan diets can be done, but they need to be done very, very carefully. There is a lot of room for error, and these diets probably are not as appropriate as diets that contain at least some animal protein," Heinze says.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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My son and his girlfriend very successfully have been growing a lot of their own produce...
I hope to join the bandwagon next season...
With the water restrictions, didn't grow much this year. Just the Asparagus and a few tomatoes, but
There's just a but nothing better than a pot full of fresh home grown green beans steamed with,
BACON!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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In some of the earlier posts, there was discussion of the problem of where the fertilizer would come from for the plants that would be grown in place of the meat.
I didn't see this answered, so let me try.
It is actually NOT a problem, because the plants are already being grown! They are, however, being fed to cows instead of to humans. Using them in that way to grow beef to feed to people is very inefficient and expensive.
I don't assume that we'd use the SAME plants....I'm not much into alfalfa, personally. But a change in crop would likely not change the nature of need for fertilizer in a significant way.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Feb 20, 2016 - 10:52am PT
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re: "Naturally cultured meat"
Alright meat-loving vegans, this is interesting / insightful...
Sam Harris speaks with Uma Valeti, cardiologist and CEO of Memphis Meats, about the future of meat products.
Meat Without Misery (Meat Without Murder)
http://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/meat-without-murder
Starts at 19:00.
"In 50 years, I personally believe, that the thought of slaughtering animals for meat will be laughable."
NO TO ANIMAL FACTORIES!!
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c wilmot
climber
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Feb 20, 2016 - 11:36am PT
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ah yes the birkenstock crowd with synthetic clothing would like to lecture meat eaters about the impact of the meat industry.....
while ignoring the fact the vegetable farming is FAR more environmentally destructive
You wont find a living creature or a blade of native grass in that field of veggies...
but do ride that high horse
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 20, 2016 - 02:47pm PT
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while ignoring the fact the vegetable farming is FAR more environmentally destructive
The worst vegetable-farming is worse than the best cattle-raising. But those are the tiny-percentage edge-cases that are not the rule.
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2010/07/vegetarianism-worse-for-the-environment
One small passage from that lengthy compilation of articles:
The United Nations recently reported that animal farming is the number one cause of global warming, and one of the top two or three causes of every significant environmental problem on the planet, locally and globally.
If global-warming is such the pressing problem, then let's get serious about addressing its major causes.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 20, 2016 - 02:58pm PT
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Well said, madbolter!
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 05:12pm PT
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Cool idea to make cell cultures for meat.
There are places where the land would be difficult to farm or water not as easily available, but having animals graze the steep rocky slopes and then using their milk/skin/meat/etc. seems like a reasonable thing. But this is a very local subsistence kind of thing- not as amenable to corporate profit-optimizing meat management.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jun 16, 2016 - 05:28pm PT
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cwilmot you are misinformed or willfully ignorant.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jun 16, 2016 - 05:39pm PT
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The brave new world that awaits humanity... Enjoy your synthetic garlic, human -dmt
The world we have now, you sad sac...
Educate yourself in the matter or grow some morals.
Morals re factory animals. (your word du jour: exploited)
Instead of posting here, go watch a movie...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0358456/
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jun 16, 2016 - 05:58pm PT
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All organic grass fed beef!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 16, 2016 - 06:17pm PT
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Environmentally, with respect to health, or karmacly, it doesn't get much worse than meat.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 16, 2016 - 06:45pm PT
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The most important leap forward for early humans occurred when they learned to cook meat,
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