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Ham and Eggs
Mountain climber
Anorak I/Mt Cook
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Oct 19, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
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Kinder gets a bit of support from Eastern Mountain Sports
Pringle got love from Mountain Hardwear this year to second Libecki in Greenland and sprays like a b!tch
Their decisons here are seen to be more about 'psyche' and show than stewardship
Placing bolts for safety - sometimes maybe
Pulling trees for a photo shoot no matter there age, is not consistent with good standards
Hope they've learnt
Good to hear the community speaking up
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Bad Acronym
climber
Little Death Hollow
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Oct 19, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
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I have it on good authority that these two recently poisoned a seventy-year-old marmot for having eaten their most precious cache of cappucino-flavored GU gels and "severely undermining [their] stoke."
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 19, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
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Let them both share cells with the porcine Boy Scout "leaders".
They can duke it out over who's pitching and who's catching.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Oct 19, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
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It seems to me that the companies offering the sponsorship status should make an effort to be clear that these types of behavior will not be tolerated.
Granted, the climbers in question should know better.
Very unfortunate.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Oct 19, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
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Book 'em, Dano!
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Oct 19, 2013 - 10:43pm PT
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Let them both share cells with the porcine Boy Scout "leaders".
They can duke it out over who's pitching and who's catching.
Nothing classes up a finger pointing internet lynch thread like a TGT post.
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Deekaid
climber
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Oct 19, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
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i think your first reply to my post went over my head
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Oct 20, 2013 - 12:35am PT
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"Book 'em, Dano!"
Now that was funny:-)
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harryhotdog
Social climber
north vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 20, 2013 - 12:39am PT
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Because you didn't run a hotdog stand.
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MisterE
climber
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Oct 20, 2013 - 12:40am PT
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That is a really funny exchange.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 20, 2013 - 12:43am PT
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here's a hot dog stand
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harryhotdog
Social climber
north vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 20, 2013 - 12:55am PT
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Thread drift
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Oct 20, 2013 - 01:16am PT
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Hahahahahaha!!! Nice tat!! Lol
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harryhotdog
Social climber
north vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 20, 2013 - 01:35am PT
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We climbed and put slings around these cliff dwelling cedars at Rattlesnake point all the time throughout the eighties when I first started climbing. They are not particularly large so their age went undiscovered until the late eighties. Being on the cliff faces they avoided the regular forest fires that would of occurred from time to time above and below.
http://drreese.wordpress.com/2013/10/20/ancient-forests-cling-to-the-niagara-escarpment/
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 20, 2013 - 01:53am PT
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those trees still there?
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steveA
Trad climber
Wolfeboro, NH
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Oct 20, 2013 - 07:55am PT
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harryhotdog,
Great read! I'm amazed to learn that!!
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tr4
climber
Tuolumne Meadows, Ca
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Oct 20, 2013 - 08:17am PT
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Any responses from the cutters..?
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billygoat
climber
Pees on beard to seek mates.
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Oct 20, 2013 - 08:51am PT
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I've haven't seen a response--public or private. There was a brief post on Instagram by Joe Kinder--a photo of The Cathedral (crag near St. George) and a caption about needing to learn a lesson. It was somewhat cryptic and avoiding the issue. I posted a comment there asking for a direct explanation. A short while later, he deleted that photo as well. Not sure what's going on with Ethan, as we're not connected through social media. His friends tell me he's received a ton of threats and is well aware.
I wish people would stop sending threats. That's childish and serves mostly as a form of encouragement to keep Joe and Ethan from talking or showing their faces. These two are certainly aware of the situation. I'm not sure if they know of this exact thread, but they definitely know the climbing community at large is concerned about what went on.
Brand Young's suggestion and actions are exactly representative of the reasons I started this thread. I wanted you all to be aware that something concerning us, as a community of public land users, was taking place. If you are concerned about the larger impact these sorts of actions may have, please urge the sponsors of both Joe and Ethan to require their athletes to come forward with an open and direct explanation of their involvement--whatever it may or may not be. By default, even if Joe and Ethan didn't do it, they're involved because members of the climbing community were led to believe so. For their own sake, they need to respond in a direct and open manner. At this point, we can't reverse what happened, but we can differentiate the actions of a few from the expectations of our community. In the eyes of public land managers, this will serve us all a better future at the crags. This can be done in many ways, but most importantly through those involved taking responsibility for their actions and showing a public change of heart moving forward.
Finally, thanks for keeping the thread alive. It means this sort of stuff counts. Even if the conversation does (at times) dwell in speculative finger-pointing, it shows that we all seek a better resolution. But, seriously, get rid of the naked pics! If that's an attempt to get this thread nuked, it's a poor troll.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Oct 20, 2013 - 09:20am PT
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This whole thing makes me sick and incredibly sad. It's two trees now? Those junipers aren't growing back. Ditto on HighTraverese's and Harry's sentiments. It kinda sucks there have been "threats" but perhaps it will drive the gravity of the crime into their self-absorbed heads.
Anyone care to post a list of the sponsors? Since the perps have gone underground I think our energy would be best spent putting the screws on the companies that support these guys. They have a responsibility to enforce stewardship and responsible behavior with their athletes IMO.
From FB: Joe Kinder is one of the most influential rock climbers in America today...
Uh.. right.. I'd never heard of this guy ever until this thread. Hopefully he will get dumped and fade into total obscurity after all this dies down.
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