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Kalimon
Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
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Aug 27, 2012 - 08:58pm PT
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Riley Wyna has turned out to be such a complete whine-a. Thought you were cooler than this.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 27, 2012 - 09:25pm PT
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The Chief...The Iranian commy jew boys didn't last very long...? What the fuk did you do to em...? RJain...
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 27, 2012 - 10:00pm PT
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If the goal is to "clean-up" the "sport", then why are so many admitted dopers granted immunity so that one guy gets nailed. This is no house cleaning, it's a sham.
Are they claiming that Mr. Armstrong single-handedly introduced, supported, encouraged, advocated, ... the use of doping products and techniques?
V E N D E T T A !!
The best solution would be to ban competitive bicycling totally for 10 years. They're all guilty. Maybe the riders could get a job pinch-running in baseball.
Don't look back, they might be gaining on you
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Argon
climber
North Bay, CA
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Aug 27, 2012 - 10:42pm PT
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I was waiting for Pound Dick to weigh in. It's not that I disagree with these guys - I just think their priorities are screwed up. The retroactivity of the process bothers me too. What if we had samples from every athlete in every sport from every year? How would we deal with the findings?
The rule for every sport should be as follows: In each season (or event), you have a battery of tests, technology and testing protocols that you inform the athletes of. During that season (or event) they are subject to the various tests. If they pass the tests, it is declared that they passed - period. It would not be stated that an athlete was clean - just that he or she had passed the requisite tests in place at that time. There wouldn't be rules that specified what you can and can't take - the only rule would be not to fail the tests in place at that time. There would be no saving samples for re-testing years and decades down the road with new technologies, no further investigations or testimony from witnesses as to who was actually doing what. If you fail a test, shame on you. You are disqualified and must suffer the consequences. If you pass, congratulations. You have played by the rules and "honored" the requirement of not failing - either because you are truly clean or due to your superior technology and masking techniques. Cleanliness or cleverness - either way we don't give a shtt as long as you pass the tests.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 27, 2012 - 11:28pm PT
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Well Locker, we all knew that you were clean (you'll wonder where the yellow went, when you brush your teeth with pepsodent), but have you ever stolen a base? Base-jumped, free-based?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Aug 28, 2012 - 12:05am PT
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this is the most f*#ked up thread on st. its like a bunch of bikers on a biker thread bitchin about rap placed bolts. f*#kin ignorance but what do you expect from someone with little man complex like the sh#t.
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jstan
climber
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Aug 28, 2012 - 12:22am PT
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Face it guys. The TDF is for wussies.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 28, 2012 - 01:23am PT
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Locker..Glad to see you made it to the pros...Did they test you for blood packing...?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 28, 2012 - 11:24am PT
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Concerning Ellis, did they also test to make sure that he hadn't taken a steriod masker that gives a false positive for LSD?
Satchel Paige never used drugs. Give him the no-hitter and Armstrong's seven titles, I say.
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Aug 28, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
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It's unfortunate and embarrassing how this is happening so long after all his wins but I think it's only now becoming apparent the scale and cynicism that, according to these allegations, went into Armstrong's doping efforts. To take away his wins makes a horrible mess in the cycling world but to do nothing, knowing what they know now, would look worse.
Great article, Chief. Thanks.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/opinion/sunday/how-to-get-doping-out-of-sports.html?_r=3&ref=opinion&pagewanted=all
Disclaimer: I really don't give a damn, except that by cleaning up other sports, there's maybe a better chance that our own will stay more or less the anarchic, fun, not-so-overtly-competitive sport that we all know.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 28, 2012 - 02:38pm PT
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If the only way to keep a game clean is rigorous anti-doping testing then the 'sport' has already failed by every measure that counts.
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jstan
climber
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Aug 28, 2012 - 02:53pm PT
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Disclaimer: I really don't give a damn, except that by cleaning up other sports, there's maybe a better chance that our own will stay more or less the anarchic, fun, not-so-overtly-competitive sport that we all know.
Can I take it you are therefore opposed to recognition of climbing as an Olympic sport?
Do you think your opposition will prove successful?
I fear the things you enjoyed are headed for the dustbin.
Happens.
The Olympic ideal of amateur sport, coming from its Greek origins where any citizen might compete, has been in the dustbin for quite some time. Practically speaking, climbing is well on its way toward joining this absurdity.
Time to move on.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Aug 28, 2012 - 03:14pm PT
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Practically speaking, climbing is well on its way toward joining this absurdity.
Hmmmm. Yes, and no. The fact that professional and Olympic cycling are completely riddled with drugs, scandal, rules, bribery, conspiracy, and whatever else, does nothing whatsoever to prevent me from getting on my bike and doing the things I always loved to do on my bike.
And the fact that climbing might one day become what cycling is now won't prevent you, me, or anyone else from hiking up to the crag and doing what we've always done.
And since climbing is so mind-meltingly boring to watch, I don't see how it's ever going to become a big-time sport.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 28, 2012 - 03:16pm PT
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The Olympic ideal of amateur sport, coming from its Greek origins where any citizen might compete, has been in the dustbin for quite some time. Practically speaking, climbing is well on its way toward joining this absurdity.
Sad, but true - an inevitable outcome of climbing gyms.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Aug 28, 2012 - 03:55pm PT
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Lovegasolene
+150
one of the best ever on the Taco.
Almost same thing happened to me.....
I was head of French frys at Burger Chief...
Big day off..... do a dose, then the boss calls.
"Timmy called in sick, I need you down here fast"
I was able to make Golden Brown Fries at breakneck pace.
I wonder if they want my paycheck back??
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jstan
climber
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Aug 28, 2012 - 04:01pm PT
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And since climbing is so mind-meltingly boring to watch, I don't see how it's ever going to become a big-time sport.
You are an optimist David.
The importers of african lions to Rome looked at their audience and figured out how to make money off those lions.
OK. You take it from there concerning climbing as an audience thing.
My optimism this election year has grown paper thin.
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thetennisguy
Mountain climber
Yuba City, CA
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Aug 28, 2012 - 04:16pm PT
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His main accuser ... doper Floyd Landis ... need I say more?
He passed every doping test they game him.
Do the French really want an American to win their race 7 x's ? They were all over him for years and couldn't pin anything on him after testing him so many times in each race!
Do we really trust the USADA like we would a court in this country? Armstrong is being tried by the USADA in the court of public opinion ...
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Aug 28, 2012 - 04:41pm PT
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So I guess Hincapie has only ridden for 2 TDF winners?
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10b4me
Ice climber
dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel
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Aug 28, 2012 - 05:12pm PT
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Marion Jones passed one hundred and sixty doping tests. she failed the next one, and admitted she was guilty.
as far as climbing in the olympics, it will just be another contrived event.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny,sawdust does not work like chalk
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Aug 28, 2012 - 05:36pm PT
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every big man lance beat on his way to 7,ulrich,pantini,vinakorov,even contador were busted,lance and his doctors just knew how to do it.you can believe that.i am a lifelong cyclist .
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