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WBraun
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Jul 23, 2012 - 08:55pm PT
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The material body is the source of all miseries .......
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Jul 23, 2012 - 09:47pm PT
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Body count in Aurora was way too low. We get up around 200-300 dead and we'll maybe limit the opportunity for unstable people to assemble an arsenal with no questions asked. Oh yeah, the NRA will fight it, but if we can get the body count up it just might pass. Just a matter of time before the gun doesn't jam.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 23, 2012 - 09:54pm PT
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Body count in Aurora was way too low. We get up around 200-300 dead and we'll maybe limit the opportunity for unstable people to assemble an arsenal with no questions asked. Oh yeah, the NRA will fight it, but if we can get the body count up it just might pass. Just a matter of time before the gun doesn't jam.
Is that right out of the liberal prayer book? The official Democratic viewpoint?
or just your personal opinion?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 23, 2012 - 10:31pm PT
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jul 23, 2012 - 11:01pm PT
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Dr. F.....I'm thinking of the basement scene in Tremors...
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jul 23, 2012 - 11:12pm PT
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I think everybody (yes everybody) should carry one pistol, in a holster, hung round the waist (or maybe from the shoulder), should dress all in black, should have a knight symbol on the holster, should adopt the ethos of Paladin, should memorize the catch-phrase 'have gun will travel" (or have business cards printed up), and then learn to talk their asses off like the loquacious Richard Boone did. ... And, become proficient with explosives in case the talk is cheap approach fails.
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jstan
climber
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Jul 23, 2012 - 11:16pm PT
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Recently people trying to control the population of mosquitos took the rather common approach of releasing a lot of males in which a fatal genetic mutation had been implanted. Perhaps a similar control measure is needed here. Manufacture and sell defective ammunition. Every tenth bullet causes the weapon to explode. Worth a try anyway.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 23, 2012 - 11:34pm PT
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Is this a gun law you guys actually favor? The first Bush enacted it. Apparently he had no difficulties in deciding what an assault weapon was.
That ban is for importation. They just make them here now.
Much better for our economy but makes them more expensive.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Jul 24, 2012 - 12:54am PT
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Tornado, have you climbed in Pakistan and visited some of those gun store spots?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 24, 2012 - 01:15am PT
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Jul 24, 2012 - 01:57am PT
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Is that right out of the liberal prayer book? The official Democratic viewpoint?
or just your personal opinion?
Are you expressing your viewpoint or an irrational fear inbred by Fox News and the NRA mailings that land in your mailbox every week asking for money?
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 24, 2012 - 02:16am PT
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Crankster, are you even trying to make sense?
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jul 24, 2012 - 09:37am PT
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Silver, the Afghans do not manufacture AK-47s. I have been in a gun shop in Peshawar, on the Pak-Afghan border and have seen the quality of their home-made weapons. There are thousands of AK's in both Afghanistan and Pakistan and anyone can buy one in the bazaar. I assume they are soviet-made but don't really know. They are not Afghan made. Any respectable business in Kabul has a guard with an AK. They also have heavy weapons left over from the war with the Soviet Union. I believe there is a machine gun factory in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, but they are not exactly on good terms with Afghanistan now.
Here's a picture of me in a tank on the Shomali plains. I was told never to do this again, since the wrecked tanks everywhere in Afghanistan are sometimes booby trapped.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Jul 24, 2012 - 09:52am PT
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Shack, it isn't possible to make sense to someone can't see the obvious need to limit the ability of a deranged citizen to amass an arsenal that would allow him or her to assassinate dozens - or hundreds - of his fellow citizens.
If you are not calling for increased gun control, you are insane.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jul 24, 2012 - 11:05am PT
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I think it's high time we start changing the laws about gasoline and small jars too.
This psycho had TEN gallons of gasoline in small jars all around his apartment. Why didn't the gas station attendant take notice?
FWIW, I went through about 2,500 rounds of various calibers of ammunition last month. Probably go through ~10k a year. I own several AR-style rifles too! The horror! Boy, I must be a nut and a scary guy. I've never shot anyone and hope never to have to. You're falling for the media sensationalism. Who cares how many rounds of ammunition one person has? Big numbers scare Sheeple. That's why. The media loves it.
Ask yourselves, everyday drunk drivers alone murder around 30 people in this country. Probably double that permanently disabled. Every day around the clock all year long. Women, children, fathers. Murdered. Figure around 11k+ murdered every year.
Where's the outrage against booze? Where's the media coverage of those 90 corpses since the shooting? Hmmm?
Learn critical thinking people. Turn off the TV just for a few minutes.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 24, 2012 - 12:07pm PT
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The NRA magazine has a real good article about that Liberator this month.
Someone is even making new ones - with rifled barrels - but they don't advise shooting the new ones more than a few times, just like the originals.
http://vintageordnance.homestead.com/Liberator.html
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jul 24, 2012 - 12:15pm PT
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We already have restrictions on private citizens owning hand grenades, tanks, artillery, missiles and nuclear weapons. It is a question of extending such restrictions to automatic weapons which are capable of being used for mass killings.
If the only guns we were allowed to own were big, cumbersome, old fashioned single action rifles, where you have to pull back the lever and recock the gun for each shot, we would have considerably fewer gun deaths.
It is much harder to kill en masse with such weapons, plus, unlike hand guns, they are difficult to conceal.
This guy killed or wounded about 70 people. The guy in Norway killed a lot more. Both Norway and the U.S. have liberal gun ownership policies. In England, they had 19 deaths total from guns in one entire year.
They restrict gun ownership in England, but paying for sex is legal, so they have, in some respects, better ideas on where to be more liberal and where to be more restrictive.
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