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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 22, 2012 - 05:39pm PT
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this thread bears an uncanny resemblance to the mystique of EEEvrest...
just a creepy feeling here that more tragedy will just add to the mystique.
It's an odd word to use, because there is no mystery about Everest; there shouldn't be, at least with this many going up daily, and so much media, any mystery left about the big pile of doo.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 22, 2012 - 05:44pm PT
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Climb up, para glide down, hang girlfriend - bad trifecta.
Is there a postcard of the hanging?
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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May 22, 2012 - 05:50pm PT
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Is there a postcard of the hanging?
They're selling postcards of the hanging
They're painting the passports brown
The beauty parlor is filled with sailors
The circus is in town
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 22, 2012 - 06:04pm PT
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Early camp 4 dwellers. Is it defensible that some crackers (so called Mariposa Battalion) renamed their rock, El Capitan, and that people pissed all over it for so many years?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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May 22, 2012 - 07:11pm PT
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^ No
But what is done is long done bud. It can't be fixed very well.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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May 22, 2012 - 07:54pm PT
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Don't post my photos of Jona without my permission.
And maybe man-up and offer Jona an apology for your misogynistic blather.
She is a performance artist working a project, not a bimbo hooker.
She is very respected by some of the biggest names in alpinism today.
And you are still a limp dick butt knuckle.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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May 22, 2012 - 08:28pm PT
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The 1898 prospectors briefly passed through Alaska, from Skagway to White Pass, but that was all.
Thank you MH for the correction...I was actually up that way this past summer, shame on me, I should have been more asute on the borders!
Hanging my head in shame,
Susan
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 22, 2012 - 08:35pm PT
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Except that it was Chilkoot Pass... My bad. Although White Pass isn't far away.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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May 22, 2012 - 08:59pm PT
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Philo - what was misogynistic about any post on here. All posts about Jona were commenting on what she admits she does, such as sexy poses to get attention.
http://www.via-ferrata.de/img-in-high-heels-auf-den-mount-everest-881.htm
If she does not want to get treated like a piece of meat she should quit acting like a piece of meat. She is an attention monger, that is fine, but you do not need to be a hero to run to her defense for some perceived insult.
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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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May 22, 2012 - 09:16pm PT
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It is amazingly disrespectful to the people of Nepal and Tibet to show so much skin in such a provocative style. It is not at all condoned or accepted , in fact it is seen as shameful, embarrassing, and far below the cultural ethic. Just some more of the worst the west brings to these areas.
So the woman's posing in the skimp is an embarrasment to us all in that context.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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May 22, 2012 - 10:00pm PT
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"...in fact it is seen as shameful, embarrassing, and far below the cultural ethic. Just some more of the worst the west brings to these areas."
And truth be told that kind of shite happens all over this planet.
I too wish (so many) Western folks would have a bit more respect for local culture/tradition...butt no, we're such a "it's all about me" culture.
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Ezra Ellis
Trad climber
WA, & NC & Idaho
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May 22, 2012 - 10:17pm PT
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In the current climate, is it even morally defensible to climb Everest???
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viejoalpinisto
Mountain climber
Pahrump, NV
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May 22, 2012 - 10:42pm PT
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Morals...hmmm wrong list. All you will get is opinions on ethics here. You will see the word misused frequently though.
If you think there is a huge difference between the personalities that hike in the Death Zone with poor preparation and the guy that shows up at the bar at 6AM to start his day via slow death, you have not met enough of either. Self delusional, big plans, little preparation (outside of buying a drink or hiring a guide)..one type is exalted the other derided but that is a cultural evaluation of different manifestations of a similar disease. Delusional self destruction is a characteristic that many people share. How they go about it....Some are sure they are saving themselves, proving themselves, defining themselves...redefining, lifting, self exalting, buying a piece of heaven...whatever. The guide, the bartender, the heroin dealer...easing their pain, keeping them safe, facilitating destruction...maybe all three and a lot more.....
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john hansen
climber
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May 22, 2012 - 11:14pm PT
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It is a little surprising that no one breaks away from the fixed ropes. I guess because they are all either clients or guides.
I am sure many of the guides could solo that terrain with out the ropes.
It would be refreshing to see a solo person climb past all those people un roped..
It seems if one person fell and cascaded into a few more the ropes could not possibly hold that many people.
I mean didn't Robbins walk down out side the cables once?
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 23, 2012 - 12:34am PT
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It is amazingly disrespectful to the people of Nepal and Tibet to show so much skin in such a provocative style. It is not at all condoned or accepted , in fact it is seen as shameful, embarrassing, and far below the cultural ethic. Just some more of the worst the west brings to these areas.
So the woman's posing in the skimp is an embarrasment to us all in that context.
I never have been to Nepal. My friend Robbie went in 1969 and he sent me a postcard, which I still have, saying the people of Nepal were the most spiritual he'd encounterd. Why would someone who was actually there not recognize this?
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
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May 23, 2012 - 02:18am PT
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First, Jona is wearing lucite stripper heels.
LUCITE....STRIPPER HEELS!
Like it or not, that's what they are. Who would even pack those to bring to base camp? Sorry Philo, not being a misogynist, but she looks like she took a stripper outfit to the Base Camp for provocative shots. In a place where so many have died, that's just BAD TASTE.
If she really is such a badass climber, I would much rather have many other things in my pack for Base Camp for that place to be taken seriously than LUCITE HEELS! Geesz. It sends the wrong message. If she's a badass climber, let her show it in ways that aren't so....cheap.
If she wanted to look that way in the mountains for provocative shoots, there's so many places in the mountains she could do so where it wouldn't be so offensive. I'm not offended that she looks that way but where she chose to do it. People were dying up there. And have died for years.
Don't believe me that lucite stripper heels are the cheapest, ugliest worst things you can wear to represent yourself? Look up Shauna Sands on Google. Lucite heels are a well known "laugh at that sad whore" look. Or just look up "lucite heels", same thing.
It has NO place in the Himalayas.
Climbing shoes and a good route are more than sexy enough if she's as good as you say.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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May 23, 2012 - 11:36am PT
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Fairly Judgmental regarding someone you don't know.
The sacredness of Everest was trampled to death long ago by unbridled commercialism and artifice.
She is a single mom and an artist working on a multi year project.
And she is working a photo shoot for National Geographic.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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May 23, 2012 - 11:41am PT
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All one needs to do is compare Bullwinkle's photo art to pics of Jona to know the difference. Really think Dean would pose nudes in front of sacred memorials? It's like comparing film to digital.
No envy here, I fully admit she can likely climb and hike my arse off. And for sure, she's got me mastered in the lucite heels. Perhaps they double as some sort of ice axe thingies.
Susan
Edit: not judging "her"....but I can disagree with her actions. Love the sinner, hate the sin and all that.
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michael feldman
Mountain climber
millburn, nj
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May 23, 2012 - 11:43am PT
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Just my 2 cents. Statistically, guided climbers (and those part of the team, including Sherpa and other guides) represent a slightly smaller percentage of the deaths on Everest.
Putting that aside, I do not think guiding can ever be deemed "not morally defensible." Guides have the right to choose how they want to earn their living. Clients have a right to hire guides if they want - a practice that dates back centuries (even Brad Washburn used guides in his youth). Climbing big mountains is a dangerous game. Guides and clients should both understand that. If they choose to take such a risk, it is their choice to do so. This is not more "not morally defensible" than elite climbers trying extreme routes throughout the world - risking leaving behind a spouse, a child, a family, etc. (usually without insurance or other economic provision).
Now putting all this aside, Everest is becoming a more and more dangerous place for everyone. We call it the death zone for a reason - because the body starts to die in it. Being stuck waiting in line in the death zone is insane. Waiting in line for a few minutes on the summit of Everest is insane. Expecting others (particularly others who are not part of your "team") to risk their lives to save you if you are unable to do so yourself is insane. I have no doubt in my mind that there are people on Everest who do not belong there, and are only there because they can afford to spend the money (and only live due to the luck of weather). However, how is this different than Dudley Wolfe (sp?) on K2? This is simply a part of the history of mountaineering.
While I understand why people want to climb Mt. Everest (guided, guide or independent), I also do not understand why anyone would spend a fortune to be part of such crowds. The physical challenge is still there, and perhaps even greater due to the crowds, but there is no adventure and the risks are increasing tremendously. Hopefully this trend will diminish, but I doubt it.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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May 23, 2012 - 11:52am PT
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So Jona is being sacrilegious but it is OK to stand in the same locations getting your pic taken while holding a banner of your corporate sponsors? Starbucks, Microsoft et-al are okie dokie but an art project isn't? HMMMMM. Uhm, Why?
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