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jstan

climber

Feb 23, 2012 - 10:55am PT

Counting this thread as being political

there are only two such threads on the first page right now.

If you consider this a thread dealing with site management

there is just one.

nature

climber

Denver, Colorado

Feb 23, 2012 - 11:02am PT

whack a few moles and all of a sudden there is more climbing content on the front page.

if I was a mole i'd be looking for the chop.

Jingy

climber

Somewhere out there

Feb 23, 2012 - 12:23pm PT

[Click to View YouTube Video]

As I watch this video by Theramin Trees I am continuously reminded of those who have been dismissed by the forum site's admin, or (thankfully) personal option...

The video has to do with transactional analysis and how people relate to one another in certain instances.
The whole series is worth a viewing in my opinion.

Hardman Knott

Gym climber

Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Feb 23, 2012 - 12:38pm PT

Dr. F is NOT a Ph.D. in Political Science.

So is Dr. Craig Fry a PhD or an MD?

What is his field of expertise?

I would guess anesthesiology, as the sheer volume of his posts have had a numbing effect.

jstan

climber

Feb 23, 2012 - 12:44pm PT

Jingy has something here. I just watched TA1 the chapter before the one Jingy suggested. These posts are directly reflecting the psychological states discussed in TA1. Fascinating.

As a result of the corrections undertaken by Chris, it seems we are entering into new and potentially damaging interactions. The sides of people now appearing for the first time were unsuspected by myself. Not like that has never before happened to me.

We need to look carefully at what we are doing here.

Thanks Jingy!

Edit:
One day I went to pick my daughter up at her preschool. Kristy was talking to Jeannie the teacher and as we parted Kristy told her, "My daddy is a fake Doctor."

I had never talked to her about my education.

In many ways kids have it the best, don't you think? Still breaks me up.

Locker:
Take a look at TA1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKNyFSLJy6o

Then let's talk.

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Feb 23, 2012 - 01:03pm PT

Dr. F. is a real scientist: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=970221&msg=1402745#msg1402745

His posts do have an atmospheric effect, in addition to the numbing thing mentioned by HK.

Ghost

climber

A long way from where I started

Feb 23, 2012 - 01:06pm PT

As a result of the corrections undertaken by Chris, it seems we are entering into new and potentially damaging interactions. The sides of people now appearing for the first time were unsuspected by myself.

Not sure what you mean. How does the banning of (to pick one example) LEB make it more likely that those remaining will have more damaging interactions? Or, now that Fortmental is gone, am I going to have more damaging interactions with you?

I'm confused.

jstan

climber

Feb 23, 2012 - 01:13pm PT

David:
I'll repeat what I suggested to Locker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKNyFSLJy6o

I found this most interesting, and relevant.

More later.

Doing several things right now. The rest of Jingy's series is definitely on my schedule.

Thanks Phylp:
The most memorable moment of my climbing days came one cool spring day when I
was sitting on a ledge, banging my heels against the rock and watching the sunlight play on leaves.

The moment was everything. Ego had fallen to the base of the rock.

The moment came again on my third Facelift when i was picking up debris in El Cap Meadow. I suddenly looked up and realized I did not want anything from that wonderful rock. And that rock did not want anything from me. We had reached agreement.

phylp

Trad climber

Millbrae, CA

Feb 23, 2012 - 01:14pm PT

It's an interesting video, Jingy. Thanks.

I see the persistence in the negative behaviors and attitudes of a style (for example the controlling parent style in your video) by one person "A", perceived by others as unhelpful or unwanted, as an ego need by "A". Just being made aware of it doesn't usually allow them to let the behavior go. Sometimes they just refuse to accept that a different way would work better (the "I'm right and everyone else is wrong"), and sometimes they can see it, but the pattern of being that way gives their ego something that is hard to let go of.

Phyl

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Feb 23, 2012 - 01:23pm PT

Interesting video, well worth watching and contemplating.

klk

Trad climber

cali

Feb 23, 2012 - 01:29pm PT

A "like" button may have merit

and the one with the most puppets gets to vote the most.

which means jody wins.

heh

bvb

Social climber

flagstaff arizona

Feb 23, 2012 - 01:29pm PT

He is an eminent guidebook author regarding southern California bouldering. This status keeps him from being banned for dredging up the Repubtard thread every twenty minutes or so.

Let's not forget that Largo declared him "Rookie Of The Year" in 1977. Criag's accomplishments in climbing are far more significant than the guides he knocked out. The Fry Problem is hands down one of my Josh Top Ten boulder problems.

(Shameless opportunity to post a photo of ME.)

happiegrrrl

Trad climber

www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Feb 23, 2012 - 01:32pm PT

The way I see the recent spate of deactivation is as an attempt by CMac to avoid seeing Supertopo devolve into what rocklimbing.com is/has become in the last few years.

That place was always the gumbys leading the n00bs, but a couple years back, a group of bored posters decided to have fun and try to take down the site by inane posting, jacking of sections(like the photos and route database), and gang mentality attacking anyone who said "Do you mind? We're trying to have a discussion here."

Many users stopped posting, and the place, once fairly active, is has just a fraction of the active users. And most of those who post are just bitching back and forth. Look at their General Forum, and take note of "last post" dates. Right now - 3 threads have been posted to today, 4 yesterday, 1 the 20th, 2 the 19th, and so on. It's not like those threads are getting bumped, either. Looking at the front page of General, only one thread has more than 100 posts. Plenty have less than ten. That is a pretty slow.

And let's NOT forget - CMac has CLEARLY stated that deactivated users may ask to come back.

Russ Walling

Gym climber

Poofter's Froth, Wyoming

Feb 23, 2012 - 01:41pm PT

Re: Dr. F:
Don't forget he was also the leader of the SheepBuggers back in the late 70's and 80's. I heard he also did the 2nd ascent Monkey On My Back aka Figures on a Landscape, that fine route bolted by and first lead by Dave Evans and Randy Vogel. Yabo had done the real first ascent without bolts, using only natural gear previous to any known ascents. I think he also named the Manx Boulders and lended his name to the Fry Problem, a John Long classic.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Feb 23, 2012 - 01:45pm PT

We need to look carefully at what we are doing here.

Screwin' around on the internet, at a big sh#t-talkers gathering in the ether. Same as it ever was.

'Net vets who've been doing this campfire in the ether style gig for 15+ years or so (not talking ST specifically, just web forums/BBS/usenet) tend to have a much different perspective than the late-adopters. When it was strictly a bunch of tech types, academics, and students, it was all about killing time with scathing exchanges of wit. That is the cultural grounding of web forums. Subject matter is irrelevant, go look at any usenet group circa 1994. Flame wars were half the content.

Flash forward and you have a core of people steeped in that culture and those norms, and then a mob of Johnny-Come-Latelys show up preaching and crying about "civility" and such. And by "lately" I mean not around net forums in the days of 386s and excitement over a higher baud rate modem.

Bob D'A

Trad climber

Taos, NM

Feb 23, 2012 - 01:46pm PT

Happie wrote: And let's NOT forget - CMac has CLEARLY stated that deactivated users may ask to come back.

So what does people like LEB & Skip bring to the table?

klk

Trad climber

cali

Feb 23, 2012 - 01:53pm PT

yeah. dr. f's investment and contributions in the climbing community are respected and extensive. he's still skiing hard, too. and he's a genuine expert on cactus which is almost on topic. and as best i can tell, he does most of his politard posting in selected politard threads which feels very different from systeamtically targeting non-politard threads for politard hijacking (cf fattrad's post in the old cerrot torre thread).

folks better at the craft get more respect. folks who have invested folks who can speak from experience and expertise on shared topics of interest get more respect.

we may be equal before the law, but we're not equals before the mountain. and we're not equals on here.

happiegrrrl

Trad climber

www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Feb 23, 2012 - 01:55pm PT

Bob D'A - Those poster had very clear and distinct patterns. If they do get allowed back(CMac did not say it is a given that a request to return will be allowed) and they get back to the same shite, then likely they will get axed again, and that time for good. Or so I would guess.