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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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It will be interesting to hear exactly what happened, including the events leading up to the attack, and how bin Laden died. Hopefully not by someone pulling the plug on his dialysis machine... There must be a great deal of evidence about what happened, although with the fog of war, putting the pieces together may take time. As with identification of the body, I'd guess they'll be very thorough about it - there are enough whackjob conspiracy theories floating around already.
As I mentioned earlier, the fact that it was a ground rather than aerial assault indicates that they wanted an identifiable body, if not a prisoner.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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there are enough whackjob conspiracy theories floating around already
hehe.. klimmer and rokjerx are dreaming one up now.
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PAUL SOUZA
Trad climber
Clovis, CA
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"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." --Martin Luther King, Jr
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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i am good with saying that the SEALs loved the guy to death. works for me.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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When "civilians" are the the ones producing the bombs, bullets, food, boots, uniforms, etc., then they no longer are "innocent". Perhaps in ancient cultures, where the warriors hunted their own food, made their own weapons, then there were "innocents". Hence the bombing of factories, infrastucture and food stocks in modern warfare.
Curtis LeMay would be proud of you, fattrad.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Quick question to anyone who claims knowledge of "international law" or Pakistani domestic law--
Why isn't it murder when US special forces go into Pakistan and kill civilians?
Let's say Gaddafi is pissed off at some Libyan living in the US and sends a Libyan military hit squad into the US to kill said Libyan, and they do. Sure seems like Gaddafi and the members of that hit squad have all committed murder under US law.
Remember that the US is not officially at war with anyone now, certainly not Pakistan. And even if what Obama (and the hit squad) does is legal under US law (which I'm not sure about), how is it legal under Pakistan law (which I'm really not sure about)?
I know a lot of you don't like the implications of this but this is a SERIOUS question. I'm not blaming Obama specifically because he is just doing what the Republicans would also do (and did), although he does seem to have extra relish for drone strikes and the like.
Maybe there is an answer to this, but it's not obvious to me and I would really like to know.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." --Martin Luther King, Jr
Paul, thanks for posting that truth from MLK.
bahhh Hawkeye.. Im sure they gave a very loving double tap to his cran-eee-ummm. And Martin Luther King never saw an enemy like bin-waden. The only thing better would have been to feed him to a bunch of freekin hawgs....;-) Now wait for the attack-to remind-us that jihad still goes on.
RA,
Sure he did. They killed him. Read Act of State. MLK knew all too well. In fact, it probably is one and the same if truth be told, and we knew the full truth of the entire matter.
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shut up and pull
climber
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INTEL FROM GITMO AND WATERBOARDING USED TO FIND AND KILL BIN LADEN.
LIBS ARE STRONGLY AGAINST BOTH.
AGAIN -- DISGUSTING LIBERALS.
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shut up and pull
climber
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LIBERALS = BUSH CAUSED 911! NOW = HOORAY FOR BARRY HUSSEIN FOR KILLING OSAMA, THE MASTERMIND OF 911. See any incongruity?
Headline: Capture seen as vindication for 'harshest interrogation methods'...
Poor liberals -- what are you going to say now about waterboarding and Gitmo?
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shut up and pull
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ONE QUESTION TO ALL THE LIBERALS IN HERE:
WHAT JUSTIFICATION DID BARRY HUSSEIN USE TO ASSASSINATE OSAMA?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Assume that someone was tortured at Guantanamo into revealing the name and perhaps other information about an al Qaeda operative, four or five or more years ago. Pretty distant connection from that to yesterday's operation. I suspect that there were multiple sources of intelligence, and perhaps even that the Pakistani government threw bin Laden to the US once it became clear that the jig was up. It seems certain that there was an enormous amount of work to follow up and confirm a tenuous lead, and make something of it - which is the real work.
At this point, it's mostly mental speculations anyway. The full story won't come out for a while, if ever.
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shut up and pull
climber
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LIBS = Waterboarding is torrrrrrrrture! Be nice to the terrorists so they won't attack us! Gitmo causes the barbarians to attack us!
Lets see:
1. Gitmo open and doing business under Obama? Yup.
2. Patriot Act repealed under the Dems? Nope.
3. KSM 911 mastermind tried in NYC as Obama promised? Nope.
4. Waterboarding used to get the intel that led to OBL's death? Yup.
Hey libs -- do you ever get tired of just being plain-ass wrong all the time?
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shut up and pull
climber
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OBAMA -- MAKING THE MUSLIM WORLD OUR FRIEND AS PROMISED?
HEADLINES:
Obama: U.S. Carried Out Operation 'At My Direction'...
Killing brings anger in Arab world...
Pakistanis rally to pay homage to bin Laden...
Musharraf: Mission violated sovereignty...
Hamas condemns killing of 'holy warrior'...
Arabs Riot in Jerusalem Over Death...
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Chris2
Trad climber
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^Please, apply your user name to self.^
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shut up and pull
climber
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BUT WAIT -- OBAMA PROMISED TO BRING HIM TO JUSTICE HERE IN THE U.S., AND NOW HE RESORTS TO ASSASSINATION?
SHOT IN HEAD; BIN LADEN IS DEAD.....
Wow -- the liberals' minds must be swimming with all these contradictions.
Namely -- how do we reconcile our appeasing-the-terrorists beliefs with our hopey-changey president who just ordered the murder of an individual on foreign soil?
Ahhhh the contradictions are tooo fun!
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Park Rat
Social climber
CA, UT,CT,FL
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I went to Google Earth and put in ABBOTTABAD PAKISTAN OSAMA BIN Laden's compound hideout.
You get a great picture of his place relative to the town.
I think we can say his fate was Sealed today.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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But the usual fantasists insist on thinking there's something fishy about it all. And Obama is sleeping with the fishes.
(Yes, I know that a seal isn't a fish.)
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shut up and pull
climber
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CAN'T. STOP. LAUGHING. MUST. LIE. DOWN.
The Irony Grows Deeper – Key Intel Came From Enhanced Interrogations In Secret Prisons.
Information from Guantanamo detainees made it possible to locate bin Laden.
They told me that if I voted for McCain, we’d get a continuation of Bush’s wartime policies. AND THEY WERE RIGHT!
“A Nobel peace prize winner carrying out a successful assassination!”
WHAT ABOUT THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS? Mission was to kill Bin Laden, not capture. “The U.S. special forces team that hunted down Osama bin Laden was under orders to kill the al Qaeda mastermind, not capture him, a U.S. national security official told Reuters.”
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Yo Shut Up,
Did I not say Obama is the best Republican president since Eisenhower?
Edit:
The differnece between Dems and Independants vs. Repugs is that we think on our own. We can be critical of our own, and we call them out when they are screwing up.
The Repugs just don't think at all. The Repugs worship at the feet of their masters no matter what, and swallow hook, line, and sinker and enjoy it and then they want more of the same. They will vote against their own self-interest time and time again.
We won't. We learn.
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