Nope, sorry. Slept in the room where Einstein statyed for a few months in 1930, but woke up just as dumb as ever. They must have cleaned the room or something between then and now.

like you fellows, sagan worked hard at closing his "scientific" mind to the rest of it. i wonder if he decided it was bad for business to keep it too open.

The material senses are always subjected to the four defects.

1) Sure to commit mistakes
2) Is invariably illusioned
3) Has the tendency to cheat others
4) Is limited by imperfect senses.

thanks for the original quote on that, del cross. yes, a fairly closed mind not quite totally slamming the door shut. as i noted, sagan underwent some changes at the end of his career. his last book preached to choirboys such as we have here.

the evidence, of course, continues to be apparent. we've had more than one discussion about such things on ST, and those who sincerely report genuine experiences are invariably dismissed with the kind of crap crodog posted up there. give ed credit for not calling karl a liar. he was too much of a gentleman even to call him a dupe, but, bottom line, i think that's how he feels about it. faced with reliably witnessed evidence, however, you guys, as you appear to the other half here, are clearing duping yourselves. i found it significant that the one article ed could cite involved a guarded study which did not address the factor of psychic ability, but rather the kind of mumbo-jumbo you get in astrology columns of american newspapers.