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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 11, 2015 - 05:28am PT
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hey there say, pyro... wow, thanks for sharing more about juan/jeff... thank you so very much ...
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L
climber
California dreamin' on the farside of the world..
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Feb 11, 2015 - 02:26pm PT
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Wow...this just doesn't seem possible. Five years ago JDF hung up his trolling rod for wings and a gown????
Initially Jeff Batten just sort of annoyed me with his posts, then he downright pissed me off with his trolls about Anna Nicole Smith and her death, and then...well...I don't know how it happened, but I sort of grew to like him. Really like him.
He once posted that he traveled around the world just to stand in the shadow of eclipses. You start to see the true person with poetry like that.
He also posted some beautiful photos of he and his wife in Prague.
Hope you're pulling some good ones wherever you've gone to Jeff. I know Stoney Point is missing you, too.
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John M
climber
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Feb 11, 2015 - 02:32pm PT
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Initially Jeff Batten just sort of annoyed me with his posts, then he downright pissed me off with his trolls about Anna Nicole Smith and her death, and then...well...I don't know how it happened, but I sort of grew to like him. Really like him.
My too L.. Then I saw his decent side and I started to understand his sense of humor and how much he cared about things. I would have like to have met him.'
I'm glad to see you posting again L.. :-) cheers sister. loved your cake story.
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L
climber
California dreamin' on the farside of the world..
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Feb 11, 2015 - 02:47pm PT
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Thanks John! Good to see you here, too, Bro.
I'm going to go pour myself a glass of fine red wine and drink a toast to Jeff...a belated toast to the Damn Best Taco Troll ever.
Cheers
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 11, 2015 - 04:06pm PT
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It is one thing to troll, another to call somebody a jew boy.
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John M
climber
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Feb 11, 2015 - 04:33pm PT
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you called him a horses ass to get under his skin.
He called you a jewboy to get back at you.
he is dead and you can't let it go.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Feb 11, 2015 - 06:38pm PT
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Jeff told me a story
When he was working for CalTech his job was to inspect all seismometers in so cal..
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 11, 2015 - 07:33pm PT
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Disappointed with you goat. You don't know what has been done, and it bugs me when ANYONE who posts racist epithets gets lionized for trolling.
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John M
climber
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Feb 12, 2015 - 08:26am PT
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Good post Dingus.. It was what I was thinking last night.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 12, 2015 - 08:46am PT
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I don't recall calling him a horse's ass, but if the shoe fits.
What I do recall is him posting "jew boy", then quickly deleting it and attempting to first deny and then blame the comment on alcohol.
We all make mistakes (although I don't indulge prejudice), but, as I tried to explain to philo, we have to own them before we can move on. Alcohol doesn't talk it merely lubricates the jaw. The real character will out.
And that sometimes happens right here on the taco.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Feb 12, 2015 - 09:02am PT
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Wow. If i held on to gripes for all the people who called me mean things in my life, i'd be one bitter man.
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John M
climber
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Feb 12, 2015 - 09:03am PT
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Ron.. I dug back and found your comments.
He was being a horses ass. But then so were you. Most of us at one point or another have been horses asses on this forum. He took it too far with the jewboy comment and he did apologize, though it was weak. It was hard to sort that whole situation out because it was like the pot calling the kettle black, though it was obvious that the racist comment went too far. You stung him pretty hard with the horses ass comment and he used the only thing he could think of because your skin is pretty thick and it is hard to get under.
I think most people here realize that he was a complicated individual. In part that is what made him interesting, but as L said, sometimes it was difficult to see past some of his actions. I thought at times he took the trolling too far, but occasionally I got a glimpse of the person behind the trolling and that is the person that I liked.
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On a happier note
I love the comment earlier that he won all the poker tournaments that he entered here on the taco. That cracks me up. I had no idea. I know some of the guys on the forum are decent players, so that says a lot to me.
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Big Mike.. nasty comments are one thing. I think that racist digs are a whole other level.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Feb 12, 2015 - 09:09am PT
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Big Mike.. nasty comments are one thing. I think that racist digs are a whole other level.
I hear that. The guy has passed on though so i don't think Ron is going to get his message across...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 12, 2015 - 09:30am PT
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I think I already did.
I tend to let sleeping dogs lie, but make an exception for the ugliest form of hate.
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Thanks Jan.
There is a climber who has been made a hero here on the basis of wild tales. I was witness to the same person being incredibly rude to some tourists with a german accent who he then called "nazis".
I could see it really upset them and later went and apologized to them for the climbing community as a whole.
That is when the older one rolled up his sleeve and showed me the numbers tattooed on his arm.
I never said his name here because he is dead, and he didn't make the offense here, but it is an interesting lesson in life to see who makes some people's hero list,...
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Feb 12, 2015 - 09:37am PT
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For those of us from the majority culture it is always too easy to forget the historical ugliness behind an offhand comment. If you must insult someone, do it on the basis of their behavior or character, not their circumstances of birth.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Feb 12, 2015 - 09:46am PT
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Hey Toker Villain
I'm not sure how many books deep the ones your culture consider sacred but somewhere in the gospel or other parts it says "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." It's no secret that he was struggling with depression and, as fun as it might be to single out an event or two to paint the man, maybe exercise a little empathy for someone we all miss.
I tend to let sleeping dogs lie, but make an exception for the ugliest form of hate.
The ugliest forms of hate are back-and-forths on an online messageboard? Oh ye oppressed one...
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Feb 12, 2015 - 09:53am PT
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SO if someone makes fun of my Jew-fro, are they being racist?
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John M
climber
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Feb 12, 2015 - 10:25am PT
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There is a climber who has been made a hero here on the basis of wild tales. I was witness to the same person being incredibly rude to some tourists with a german accent who he then called "nazis".
I could see it really upset them and later went and apologized to them for the climbing community as a whole.
The thing about stories like this, as tragic as they are, is that we don't know the basis of the hatred. I have a friend who was a POW in Vietnam. He hates all asians. He knows its irrational, but he has a very difficult time being around any asian person. He has done tons of therapy, but still hasn't been able to let go.
I never said his name here because he is dead, and he didn't make the offense here, but it is an interesting lesson in life to see who makes some people's hero list,…
the only lesson that I see is that people rarely know everything about a person. So why judge the admirers since they likely don't have all the facts. Our heroes have clay feet. What is new about that?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 12, 2015 - 10:35am PT
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If I was going to judge his admirers here I'd have a few decades of work to do.
No thanks.
Moving on.
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