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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Nov 11, 2014 - 09:37pm PT
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hey there say, all...
oh, i was out in the yard, and just remembered, this, too...
something along the lines, that warbler mentioned, i think??
about problem solving... (i may have to go back and reread)... but, i have worked with children, all my life, and i have found one the best things to do with them, is to not yeild to the too easy poor me things... but, to sit down and talk and work things out, as to the needs and wants, and the what's wrong... what can we do... instead of making all perfect so the kids will just sit down and be quiet and content...
there is a teaching, that goes on, for every situation, with children, and when parents take the time to do this, no matter the inconvenience, well, the children have an easier time of it when things go wrong...
thus, depression can hit, or not, but IF it does for some reason, due to the ones mentioned above, as to the friends of mine... that is one things...
but it it hits, and there has been no 'pre set-up for failure' as to low self esteem or belittlement by others...
well, what i mean, is, if it HITS when all things seem to be going well, but suddenly come to a screetching halt, or 'mud slide' well then:
one is able to diagnose and have a stronger anchor to fight back...
(had to get that one, in , too, as so many folks come from a variety of backgrounds, and some may have had a pretty good self esteem, at least)...
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Nov 11, 2014 - 10:56pm PT
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Just re read much of this thread. Oh God, tears for we humans that fight this thing clothed in mists of greys and black. The black hole that comes out of no where on days we don't suspect and tries with all its might to take us down.
It can be overcome. It can.
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Mar 10, 2015 - 09:05am PT
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i read this article in the NY Times this morning:
Blocking the Paths to Suicide
i thought it noteworthy on this forum; but didn't think it wise to start another thread on the subject, so i am posting here.
Two interesting facts reported in the article are below. Hopefully the underlined word helps some understand the act they consider "cowardly or selfish". The second is surprising to me.
“What people experience before attempting suicide is a combination of panic, agitation and franticness,” he said. “A desire to escape from unbearable pain and feeling trapped.”
Sometimes, depression isn’t even in the picture. In one study, 60 percent of college students who said they were thinking about ways to kill themselves tested negative for depression.
There are facets of suicide in the article, specifically those related to guns and gun ownership that i can't agree with because i am a gun owner and enjoy hunting wild game. i am at peace with myself when i am hunting. i don't think ridding myself of guns would extend my life one minute, other than by preventing accidental death from a gun.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Mar 10, 2015 - 09:13am PT
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My wife snores.
And it takes me a long time to get to sleep, I need it to be quiet.
What to do?
Sleep with a Pillow over my head.
I'm so used to sleeping with a pillow on my head, now I even to block the white noise.
It also keeps your head warm.
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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Mar 10, 2015 - 09:58am PT
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I am depressed due to plain old biological reasons, however, my depression has in creased exponentially due to circumstances out of my control. I have roommates from Hell and according to my therapist my situation is very unhealthy for me.
There is nothing I can due, due to my finances, cannot move out. It is complicated and I don't want to get into it here. I totally relate to that article above and the only thing that keeps me somewhat sane our my kids and what it would do to them if I offed myself.
And seriously cannot let those sh#t head roommates effect me down that road.
Again I want to express how hopeless and trapped I feel. I do have a plan once it warms up and that is to leave and go be a dirtbag for weeks at a time, there is only one problem though, I have a cat and leaving her for weeks is just unfair so thinking I need to find her a good home. This breaks my Heart though.
Life really sucks right now but I do know getting away from here and climbing raises my mood.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Mar 10, 2015 - 12:40pm PT
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Karen- Hang in there. Life is a series of changes.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Mar 10, 2015 - 01:02pm PT
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So sad to see this thread, started by our own Jeff Batten = Lost Arrow = Juan de Fuca.
A cry for help ... ultimately he took his own life, and it took us weeks to notice him missing from the forum, and discover that he had died.
Didn't he have friends on McTopo who would have known right away? So sad ...
RIP Jeff.
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Mar 10, 2015 - 05:46pm PT
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peton pete, i, in no way want to take away any thing from Juan (Jeff), just the opposite.
Juan, whom i didn't know from anywhere but the forum and didn't "know" him in any real sense other than suffering the same illness.
i still wonder if he failed to receive my emails or just didn't care to respond. i tried to relate my experiences so that he wouldn't feel alone.
To me that is the most dreaded aspect of this problem; you feel so alone; as if no one can understand the darkness you are living in. i feel that way 99% of the time.
The ironic part is that he titled the thread as if he was on to something positive, and some of his posts indicated the same.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Mar 10, 2015 - 06:18pm PT
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Depression is horrible. I battled it for years. Much better now.
With that said............if I got a dollar for each misspelled word I found on this forum I could once again travel or finish "The Book". lynnie
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Mar 10, 2015 - 07:50pm PT
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Tobia, thank you for your so honest post. I'll keep you in heart and prayers.
I'm on the high side of older now. Looking at life It seems to me that every human struggles with something. Some can more readily disguise their battles. Honesty is a balm with the power to heal not only yourself but others.
Again, Thanks.
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Evel
Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
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Mar 10, 2015 - 09:17pm PT
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Depression. Hoo Boy. Right now I'm ready to put a barrel in my mouth. But I ain't gonna.
Too curious about the sunrise tomorrow.
Still, my Big Green Monster is a Right Bastard and is often hard to fight. I'm still winning.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Mar 10, 2015 - 10:13pm PT
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I don't suffer from depression, and my "shut up and climb" outlook to life, plus an optimistic attitude, sees me through the dark times. I can't imagine the difficulty of clinical depression. I'm blessed.
"With that said............if I got a dollar for each misspelled word I found on this forum I could once again travel or finish 'The Book'. lynnie"
You owe me a dollar, Lynnie. In English, one is required to capitalize the spelling of names, especially one's own name.
Please pay me a Merrican dollar, not a Loonie. Exchange rate is bad these days.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Mar 10, 2015 - 11:09pm PT
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Depression is something that I have faced enough times in my life to be able to comfortably say it sucks but it can be an incentive for growth and that is not such a bad thing. The answers we seek and the remedies for our ill feelings are elusive at best, the solutions not often obvious. Endurance and sacrifice can be either a virtue or a cruel illusion that we only realize until it is over.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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It's over. But she still lives here. For now.
I'm circling the black hole again but the gravitational pull seems lighter this time. I can deal with this. I am ready to move on. I think..
I know this is what's best. It's been headed this way for awhile. I will be happier on the other side. Rent is expensive but not much more than my own room in a shared house, so i think i'll just have to suck up the extra cost for now and see where that leaves me with overall numbers...
I'm looking forward to flying solo for a bit..
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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"In another times forgotten space, your eyes looked from your mother's face . . ."
Hey Big Mike, this is something WE have all been through . . .
"Wildflower seed on the sand and stone . . . may the Four Winds blow you safely home . . ."
Don't forget the big picture in the midst of the moment.
"In Franklin's Tower there hangs a bell . . . it can ring, turn night to day . . . Ring like fire if you lose your way. God save the child that rings that bell . . . might have one good ring, you can never tell."
We are all flying solo, whether we realize it or not.
Love you Brother.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Thank you so much guys. It's been headed this way for awhile. The gap has widened year after year. It's amazing how oblivious one can be to obvious clues when they are deluded by the heart...
Edit vvvvvvvv Thanks Glenn. I know i do and i'm looking forward to having some free time to expand on some of those friendships.
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Tricouni
Mountain climber
Vancouver
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Mike, hang in there. There are many people on this forum and elsewhere who care deeply for you. I know you have to deal with it your own way, but you always have backup.
Glenn
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TWP
Trad climber
Mancos, CO & Bend, OR
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Mike:
If
you are "Circling the black hole again …:
Then
It would make sense to cease voluntary consumption of depressants.
Logical?
P.S. Pot is a depressant - amongst other things.
"While many psychoactive drugs clearly fall into the category of either stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogen, cannabis exhibits a mix of all properties, perhaps leaning the most towards hallucinogenic or psychedelic properties, though with other effects quite pronounced as well."
Wikipedia, "Effects of Cannabis."
PPS. Ever noticed how many climber/pot smokers quit smoking?
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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hang in there Mike!
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Thanks for the reminder Terry. I am well aware of certain tendencies. Luckily i haven't felt the need to drown my sorrows this time and we're finalizing a few things, so i'm feeling a little better about the situation.
Thanks Tami. You are awesome. I'm still hoping to get out climbing with you this summer!! ;)
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