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Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Apr 21, 2016 - 05:49pm PT
Reading this now

Lies, Incorporated: The World of Post-Truth Politics
Paperback – April 19, 2016

by Ari Rabin-Havt

In today’s post-truth political landscape, there is a carefully concealed but ever-growing industry of organized misinformation that exists to create and disseminate lies in the service of political agendas. Ari Rabin-Havt and Media Matters for America present a revelatory history of this industry—which they've dubbed Lies, Incorporated—and show how it has crippled legislative progress on issues including tobacco regulation, public health care, climate change, gun control, immigration, abortion, and same-sex marriage. Eye-opening and indispensable, Lies, Incorporated takes an unflinching look at the powerful network of politicians and special interest groups that have launched coordinated assaults on the truth to shape American politics.


Big money is spent on lies
and no one can stop the dupes believing the industrial lies from their faux sources
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 21, 2016 - 06:29pm PT
Senator Clinton: I think the whole Bible is real. The whole Bible gives you a glimpse of God and God’s desire for a personal relationship, but we can’t possibly understand every way God is communicating with us. I’ve always felt that people who try to shoehorn in their cultural and social understandings of the time into the Bible might be actually missing the larger point that we’re supposed to take from the Bible.
Norton

Social climber
Apr 21, 2016 - 06:35pm PT
Senator Clinton: I think the whole Bible is real

damn it

I was going to vote for her but this is the last straw...
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 22, 2016 - 08:23am PT
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tl;dr- FOX is done with #nevertrump



Trump, unsurprisingly, got back to his campaign people who informed him that his show of humanity is not acceptable to his constituency and pulled a 180 on his acceptance of transgender people using restrooms of their choice claiming, of course, "states rights."

Less than 24 hours after saying transgender individuals should be able to “use the bathroom they feel is appropriate,” Donald Trump backtracked from that pro-LGBT position. Speaking with Sean Hannity on Fox News Thursday evening, the Republican presidential frontrunner decided that while he still believes North Carolina’s law overturning local anti-discrimination ordinances is “causing a lot of problems,” he thinks “local communities and states should make the decision. The federal government should not be involved.” This comes despite the fact that there was never any questions over whether the feds should have a say in the matter.


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It's happening! Artists are rallying around Trump's message like they did in 2008 for Obama!! IT'S HAPPENING!!
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 25, 2016 - 05:27am PT
Cruz and Kasich are teaming up to deprive Trump of as many delegates as possible to force a contested convention. I still can't believe we thought 2016 couldn't top 2012. The popcorn factor of this election is legendary.



Here's an interesting article suggesting that America should adopt laws that allow citizens to freely wander around on private land such as permissive in Europe.

A COUPLE of years ago, I trespassed across America. I’d set out to hike the proposed route of the Keystone XL pipeline, which had been planned to stretch over a thousand miles over the Great Plains, from Alberta, Canada, to the Gulf Coast. To walk the pipe’s route, roads wouldn’t do. I’d have to cross fields, hop barbed-wire fences and camp in cow pastures — much of it on private property.

I’d figured that walking across the heartland would probably be unlawful, unprecedented and a little bit crazy. We Americans, after all, are forbidden from entering most of our private lands. But in some European countries, walking almost wherever you want is not only ordinary but perfectly acceptable.

In Sweden, they call it “allemansrätt.” In Finland, it’s “jokamiehenoikeus.” In Scotland, it’s “the right to roam.” Germany allows walking through privately owned forests, unused meadows and fallow fields. In 2000, England and Wales passed the Countryside and Rights of Way Act, which gave people access to “mountain, moor, heath or down.”

Nordic and Scottish laws are even more generous. The 2003 Scottish Land Reform Act opened up the whole country for a number of pastimes, including mountain biking, horseback riding, canoeing, swimming, sledding, camping and most any activity that does not involve a motorized vehicle, so long as it’s carried out “responsibly.” In Sweden, landowners may be prohibited from putting up fences for the sole purpose of keeping people out. Walkers in many of these places do not have to pay money, ask for permission or obtain permits.

We’re not nearly as welcoming in America. Travel across rural America and you’ll spot “No Trespassing” and “Private Property” signs posted on trees and fence posts everywhere. And even where there aren’t signs, Americans know they don’t have the implicit permission to visit their town’s neighboring woods, fields and coastlines. Long gone are the days when we could, like Henry David Thoreau on the outskirts of his native Concord, Mass., freely saunter “through the woods and over the hills and fields, absolutely free from all worldly engagements.”

I hope to god this is photoshopped....



Charles Koch expressed concern about the level of personal attacks being leveled in the Republican presidential race and hinted that Clinton might make a better President. Clinton immediately rebuked what the media is making sound like a tacit endorsement.




The Sanders campaign continues to make propaganda that is eagerly reposted to my Facebook feed by eager supporters. It's hard to wrap my head around the logic here. The implication here is that despite Clinton's massive war chest, "the people" don't support her. To make this conceit work one has to ignore the fact that Sanders has raised the exact same amount of money and has garnered millions fewer votes. Additionally, one has to believe that the race is at all dependent on national polling which it isn't.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Apr 25, 2016 - 06:13am PT
The only Bern I'm feeling is Bern-out.

As for Kasich...he's won 1 state. That's it. If he worms the nomination, he loses by a mile.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 25, 2016 - 09:35am PT
Dingus, that's most literal interpretation in the Bible I've ever seen.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Apr 25, 2016 - 10:56am PT
And now, the evil Charles Koch thinks Hillary may be a better candidate than the Republican nominee. He also finds Trump's proposal to bar entry of Muslims into the U.S. "monstrous." Meanwhile, undeterred by the reality that some of Koch's political positions agree with hers, Hillary attacks Bernie because he sometimes takes a position consistent with that of the Koch brothers.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/24/politics/charles-koch-hillary-clinton-2016/index.html

I point this out because politics in the U.S. has become a game of demonization which, in my opinion, has contributed mightily to the polarized paralysis of modern national "governance." Instead of seizing on points of common ground to make progress, we'd rather keep our political opponents anathematized.

John
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Apr 25, 2016 - 11:00am PT
I point this out because politics in the U.S. has become a game of demonization

separation of church and state please!
dirtbag

climber
Apr 25, 2016 - 11:01am PT
Good points, John.

I expect Bernie to say "See, even Charles Koch would vote for Hillary."

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2016 - 05:20am PT
John posted
I point this out because politics in the U.S. has become a game of demonization which, in my opinion, has contributed mightily to the polarized paralysis of modern national "governance." Instead of seizing on points of common ground to make progress, we'd rather keep our political opponents anathematized.

FASCIST


(you're quite right)
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Apr 26, 2016 - 05:49am PT
Hillary attacks Bernie because he sometimes takes a position consistent with that of the Koch brothers.

"Attacks"?? Wow, are we all in danger of overusing that word.

Sometimes words like "compare & contrast", "argues" and "points out" are more appropriate. But, I suppose that makes our target sound more reasonable.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2016 - 06:06am PT
When you're as emotional about someone as many Sanders supporters are about him anything short of "I feel the Bern!" is vicious slander.




Trump is pretty clueless.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Apr 26, 2016 - 07:04am PT
4. Free college tuition. This one’s tighter, but even here, a poll last year showed people supporting it by 46-41 percent. That same poll showed more generally that people agreed with the idea, much more broadly reflective of the position of the Democratic Party, that no one should have to go into debt to attend a public university, by 62 to 29 percent. Radicals!

Just this one item jumped out at me, but it's applicable to a great many others.

There are still a large percentage of people in this country that hold the opinion that "the government" provides all manner of things but don't even think for a moment where that money comes from. They consider it like mana from heaven literally.

These people are still under the illusion that the government just magically prints that money (which admittedly of late is a truth stranger than fiction) and have no concept that the money is taken from other hard working people.

I contend that if these surveys spent a modicum of time explaining to people how the money is provided for "free education" and a whole host of other things we would see that group of people split in two: One group would not appreciate the reality that the government is taking away money from hard working people to give to others (especially if that lesson is taught by taking away their hard earned money as example) and the other group, which appears to be well represented here, would say "damn right!" take it from them greedy bastards.

Those survey results would be much more illustrative if our government were not so invested in obfuscating where the mana from heaven comes from.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Apr 26, 2016 - 08:19am PT
Escopeta - That's just silly.

Free means free.

OPM

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 26, 2016 - 08:26am PT
Free means free.

Wait, somebody has to pay for watering the tree, don't they?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2016 - 09:50am PT
Wondering why Trump seemed to chill out and then turned around and went "full Trump" again? Sounds like he hired and then immediately rebelled against his new campaign advisor.

Trump rejects new adviser’s push to make him ‘presidential’

Donald Trump is bristling at efforts to implement a more conventional presidential campaign strategy, and has expressed misgivings about the political guru behind them, Paul Manafort, for overstepping his bounds, multiple sources close to the campaign tell POLITICO.
Trump became upset late last week when he learned from media reports that Manafort privately told Republican leaders that the billionaire reality TV star was “projecting an image” for voters and would begin toning down his rhetoric, according to the sources. They said that Trump also expressed concern about Manafort bringing several former lobbying colleagues into the campaign, as first reported by POLITICO.

Now Trump is taking steps to return some authority to Manafort’s chief internal rival, campaign manager Corey Lewandowski.

Neither Lewandowski nor Manafort responded to requests for comment, though Manafort on Sunday during an interview on Fox News blamed Lewandowski’s regime for shortcomings in the campaign’s delegate wrangling operation. Lewandowski’s allies responded by privately questioning whether Manafort has done anything to improve the situation. They grumble that Manafort has spent a disproportionate amount of time on television — just as Trump himself has been avoiding the Sunday morning talk show circuit at Manafort’s urging.


Escopeta posted
There are still a large percentage of people in this country that hold the opinion that "the government" provides all manner of things but don't even think for a moment where that money comes from. They consider it like mana from heaven literally.

These people are still under the illusion that the government just magically prints that money (which admittedly of late is a truth stranger than fiction) and have no concept that the money is taken from other hard working people.

I think I found a picture of one of them:

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2016 - 10:28am PT

Future Cruz assassin identified.




(Straw, Dingus. Come on, man.)
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Apr 26, 2016 - 10:30am PT
Escopeta - That's just silly.

Free means free.

In considering this, we need to remember the two great truths of political economics:

1. (Friedman's Reiteration) "Ain't no free lunch." The ancient Greeks knew this principle, but the particularly elegant expression of it comes from the late Milton Friedman.

2. (The Iron Law of Distribution) "Them what has, got." This explains who obtains the real benefits of government largesse.

John
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Apr 26, 2016 - 10:58am PT

Balers? Grass roots? Hayboys?

I don't get it?

DMT

Self-Portrait
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