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Apr 20, 2012 - 10:10am PT
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disneyland is n.w.o. keep your kids away from there.
So very true! Klimmer, if you're allowing your kids to watch television, play video games, want for Disneyland, etc., then, well, they're being programmed.
There is a reason they're called television programs, after all.
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sandstone conglomerate
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sharon conglomerate central
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Apr 20, 2012 - 10:14am PT
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The Utes called the Navajo "Head-pounders" because of their habit of beating the skulls of their enemies in. No doubt the bad blood between the two would result in the rise of something like the skinwalkers. A little psychological warfare against a hated enemy. However, that is between the indigenous. whitey has no business interfering with such things. We wouldn't understand what we were seeing.
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Apr 20, 2012 - 10:21am PT
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you still don't have the story straight. read hillerman. you'll learn more from him about the navajo than hampton sides.
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sandstone conglomerate
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sharon conglomerate central
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Apr 20, 2012 - 10:31am PT
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Hillerman's Skinwalkers was a good book. I'd like to read more in that series, now that you brought it up. That was a few years and many books ago.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Apr 20, 2012 - 10:39am PT
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i think i've read every book hillerman wrote. i certainly learned to love the navajo. he was made an honorary member of the tribe, but his dealing with skinwalker aspects makes him a bit controversial even among them. kelleher makes note of this.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 25, 2012 - 03:59pm PT
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From the thread on mining . . .
What is "Mined"?
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1667294&msg=1675968#msg1675968
Nov 26, 2011 - 09:37am PT
I think after we answer the question is there life off of Earth, on Mars, or some other place in our Solar System we will then be gearing up for natural resources. Its inevitable. In fact, I think we have already started.
I think we will at the least find microbial life on Mars and then even contemporarily. In fact, I think we already did back in the 70s with the Viking Missions. NASA and the US government is just too scared to admit it, or they have other nefarious reasons for delaying the truth. Read Dr. Gilbert V. Levin's (co-author) book, Mars The Living Planet.
Mars: The Living Planet [Bargain Price] [Hardcover]
Barry E. DiGregorio (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Mars-Living-Planet-Barry-DiGregorio/dp/B005ZOFKI8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322330667&sr=8-1
Dr. Gilbert Levin's website:
http://gillevin.com/mars.htm
It’s Time to Realize There Is Life on Mars
Gilbert V. Levin
http://gillevin.com/Mars/EARTHComment_8=9-10.pdf
Remember, the Asteroid Belt is loaded with incredible resources (see NASA qoute posted before). You think we aren't going to go out there and get some? There is a race to the Moon now between many countries. Its gonna happen. And yes, there is a plethora of Gold out there and many other strategic and useful metals for all kinds of technology and clean renewable energy production. We need it in-situ for living off Earth primarily first, but I think eventually natural resources will come home to Earth also. It just makes sense once we figure out how to do it as cost effective as possible.
I think we already have the technology to do it. A very well known AF officer in the know once said, "We have the technology to take ET back home already."
We don't have to keep soiling and trashing our homeworld. No one is gonna miss a few asteroids. We need resources. Its gonna happen. I think sooner than later.
The MSL is on its way to Mars this morning (11-26-2011) . . .
NASA launches super-size Mars rover to red planet
By MARCIA DUNN | AP – 21 mins ago.
http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-launches-super-size-mars-rover-red-planet-150436037.html
Many cameras on-board the MSL are designed and built by Mike Malin’s MSSS company here in San Diego. Mike is a really, really interesting man. I wonder what secrets he knows about Mars. No one else on the face of Earth has more images of Mars and up close and in high resolution. And he spends unbelievable amounts of time looking over them with magnifiers and perhaps in stereo. The things he must have seen already . . .
Mike Malin: The Mars observer
How the reclusive Mike Malin changed the way that scientists view Mars.
Eric Hand
21 November 2011
http://www.nature.com/news/mike-malin-the-mars-observer-1.9402
Well, seems other scientists have looked into the Mars Viking Labeled Release Experiment Data further and they have come to conclude that we found life on Mars back in the 1970s . . .
Mars Viking Robots 'Found Life'
Mathematical analysis adds to growing body of work questioning the negative results of a life-detection experiment 36 years ago.
http://news.discovery.com/space/mars-life-viking-landers-discovery-120412.html
I think Dr. Gilbert Levin will be vindicated.
Linking this thread to this one . . .
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1807660/Hey-thats-MY-gold-up-there-OT
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Apr 25, 2012 - 06:30pm PT
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so--how was disneyland?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 25, 2012 - 08:44pm PT
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Tony,
Thanks for asking. Didn't happen. My Toyota truck broke a fan belt. Replaced all the belts. We had to postpone at the last minute. We'll go in May now instead.
Sounds like you guys had a good time in JT.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 25, 2012 - 09:15pm PT
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...is just too scared to admit it, or they have other nefarious reasons for delaying the truth.
That's moronic - most scientists just want more conclusive data.
It should also be noted that as promising as the new analysis method is, it can't yet consistently characterize life on Earth and many scientists would like to see it able to do that before being applied to Mars data.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Apr 25, 2012 - 10:55pm PT
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that mars talk is pretty small potatoes compared to the other issues here.
salla mentions it on his far-out website, which is nevertheless often newsy. here's the one that caught my eye:
http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-117.htm
scroll towards the bottom and check the breathy "national geographic" newsreel where a bimbotic blonde interviews jabba the hut. i wonder if dr. F thinks she's hot.
Didn't happen. My Toyota truck broke a fan belt. Replaced all the belts. We had to postpone at the last minute. We'll go in May now instead.
that was a karmic happening. NWO and i are telling you to keep your kids away from there.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Apr 25, 2012 - 10:57pm PT
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Planetary bias will avail you not.
We don't need planets anymore. Evolve, DAMN you!!!!!!!
Let's get out there. Pioneers?
Maybe.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2012 - 11:21am PT
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Apr 25, 2012 - 07:57pm PT
Planetary bias will avail you not.
We don't need planets anymore. Evolve, DAMN you!!!!!!!
Let's get out there. Pioneers?
Maybe.
You know I really think that climbers, and those who are like us who like to take risks, and are very much into exploring, doing first ascents etc., and are also very fit, would make excellent extra-terrestrial (off-Earth) astronauts/asteroid miners.
Just think. We do the most radical things imaginable just for fun, putting our lives at risk at times even for no money, and we have keen senses of adventure and an extreme sense of wanting to know what is out-there, and we have a very good hard-work ethic when it comes to adventure and expeditions.
(Actually, I think were all ADHD, a condition which has a lot of really good benefits, and a few drawbacks too ;-) )
The first ascent possibilities just within our Solar System are endless.
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Apr 27, 2012 - 02:11am PT
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bump--just for the number...
edit: -)
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Apr 27, 2012 - 02:21am PT
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Asteroid Mining Plans Revealed by Planetary Resources, Inc. (with video)
"Planetary Resources, Inc. announced today its plan to mine Near-Earth Asteroids (NEAs) for raw materials, ranging from water to precious metals. Through the development of cost-effective exploration technologies, the company is poised to initiate prospecting missions targeting resource-rich asteroids that are easily accessible."
http://spaceref.biz/2012/04/asteroid-mining-plans-revealed-by-planetary-resources-inc.html
View our multi-media news release with photos and video: http://prn.to/PlanetaryR
Resource extraction from asteroids will deliver multiple benefits to humanity and grow to be valued at tens of billions of dollars annually. The effort will tap into the high concentration of precious metals found on asteroids and provide a sustainable supply to the ever-growing population on Earth.
A single 500-meter platinum-rich asteroid contains the equivalent of all the Platinum Group Metals mined in history. "Many of the scarce metals and minerals on Earth are in near-infinite quantities in space. As access to these materials increases, not only will the cost of everything from microelectronics to energy storage be reduced, but new applications for these abundant elements will result in important and novel applications," said Peter H. Diamandis, M.D., Co-Founder and Co-Chairman, Planetary Resources, Inc.
Additionally, water-rich NEAs will serve as "stepping stones" for deep space exploration, providing space-sourced fuel and water to orbiting depots. Accessing water resources in space will revolutionize exploration and make space travel dramatically more economical.
"Water is perhaps the most valuable resource in space. Accessing a water-rich asteroid will greatly enable the large-scale exploration of the solar system. In addition to supporting life, water will also be separated into oxygen and hydrogen for breathable air and rocket propellant," said Eric Anderson, Co-Founder and Co-Chairman, Planetary Resources, Inc.
Of the approximately 9,000 known NEAs, there are more than 1,500 that are energetically as easy to reach as the Moon. The capability to characterize NEAs is on the critical path for Planetary Resources. To that end, the company has developed the first line in its family of deep-space prospecting spacecraft, the Arkyd-100 Series. The spacecraft will be used in low-Earth orbit and ultimately help prioritize the first several NEA targets for the company's follow-on Arkyd-300 Series NEA swarm expeditions.
Chris Lewicki, President and Chief Engineer, said "Our mission is not only to expand the world's resource base, but we want to increase people's access to, and understanding of, our planet and solar system by developing capable and cost-efficient systems."
"The promise of Planetary Resources is to apply commercial innovation to space exploration. They are developing cost-effective, production-line spacecraft that will visit near-Earth asteroids in rapid succession, increasing our scientific knowledge of these bodies and enabling the economic development of the resources they contain," said Tom Jones, Ph.D., veteran NASA astronaut, planetary scientist and Planetary Resources, Inc. advisor.
Planetary Resources is financed by industry-launching visionaries, including Google CEO Larry Page and Ross Perot, Jr., Chairman of Hillwood and The Perot Group, who are committed to expanding the world's resource base so that humanity can continue to grow and prosper:
 Eric E. Schmidt, Ph.D., Executive Chairman of Google, Inc. (NASDAQ:GOOG) and Planetary Resources, Inc. investor: "The pursuit of resources drove the discovery of America and opened the West. The same drivers still hold true for opening the space frontier. Expanding the resource base for humanity is important for our future."
Ram Shriram, Founder of Sherpalo, Google Board of Directors founding member and Planetary Resources, Inc. investor: "I see the same potential in Planetary Resources as I did in the early days of Google."
Charles Simonyi, Ph.D., Chairman of Intentional Software Corporation and Planetary Resources, Inc. investor: "The commercialization of space began with communications satellites and is developing for human spaceflight. The next logical step is to begin the innovative development of resources from space. I'm proud to be part of this effort."
The company's advisors include film maker and explorer James Cameron; General T. Michael Moseley (Ret.); Sara Seager, Ph.D.; Mark Sykes, Ph.D.; and David Vaskevitch.
Founded in 2009 by Eric Anderson and Peter H. Diamandis, M.D., Planetary Resources, Inc. is establishing a new paradigm for resource utilization that will bring the solar system within humanity's economic sphere of influence by enabling low-cost robotic exploration and eventual commercial development of asteroids. For more information, please visit
http://www.PlanetaryResources.com
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 28, 2012 - 08:29am PT
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Just for inspiration . . .
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Apr 29, 2012 - 02:28am PT
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http://news.yahoo.com/odds-finding-alien-life-boosted-billions-habitable-worlds-122420222.html
A new estimate of the number of habitable planets orbiting the most common type of stars in our galaxy could have huge consequences for the search for life.
According to a recent study, tens of billions of planets around red dwarfs are likely capable of containing liquid water, dramatically increasing the potential to find signs of life somewhere other than Earth.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Apr 29, 2012 - 07:45pm PT
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klimmer & tom: with due respect for both of you fellows--you can't have it both ways.
either we live in an empty corner of the galaxy, far from the nearest intelligent life, and we have to try to get excited about our space neighborhood a la "new frontier" which died with JFK, or we're up against a way disturbing reality involving the cover-up of ephemeral and paranormal phenomena which are just too well documented to be ignored.
if you're trying to bring the healyjes around by sounding scientifically "reasonable", ain't gonna happen.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Apr 29, 2012 - 08:36pm PT
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Just think. We do the most radical things imaginable just for fun, putting our lives at risk at times even for no money, and we have keen senses of adventure and an extreme sense of wanting to know what is out-there, and we have a very good hard-work ethic when it comes to adventure and expeditions.
Gosh. I had no idea "We" was so awesome.
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