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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 29, 2016 - 06:42pm PT
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Zb, the Howard was a gud choice: fast, gud payload, and a tail dragger so you
can land it anywhere with a long enough flat spit. An F-111 would not be so gud.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 29, 2016 - 08:19pm PT
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For the bigtimers (e.g. El Chapo Group, Arellano-Felix) airplanes are a strictly cocaine kinda thing. For the dread ganga 1) by land 2) by sea.
bvb nails it for the intimately aware or involved:
... hearing the story as oral history, a woven tapestry of vernaculars and viewpoints told in the idiolects of those who were there, from one campfire to the next, over the decades ...
For the general purpose drug trafficking story aficionado, such as myself, it's the ingenious methodology, brazen pumpitude and audacity, and the big bucks that capture interest. Though actually knowing some of the folks doesn't hurt.
I've said this before. Unfortunately, the end result in almost all the stories is not a good one, but rather pretty sad.
The moral of the story?
Always be doing what you love to do (e.g. flying & smuggling) because you never know when you're going to die doing it.
and
Grizzly kills Montana mountain biker near Glacier National Park
http://www.adn.com/nation-world/2016/06/30/grizzly-kills-montana-mountain-biker-near-glacier-national-park/
Peace and out!
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2016 - 10:27pm PT
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The engines had an automatic sensing system that detected low oil pressure. If that occurred the four blades were immediately rotated to a neutral position (feathered)so they did not cause unnecessarily drag on that wing. So all of you that are speculating....I managed to find some mechanics that actually knew what the hell they were talking about.
This is once again what I've been talking about. This information is not easily gathered and it is not easily corroborated by at least three sources.
Don't let facts get in the way of your opinions
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 30, 2016 - 10:29pm PT
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Like those systems can't fail? Google Mr Murphy, dear soul. There
hasn't been a mechanical system made yet that is fail safe, has there?
And with most crashes it is a combination of things that cause doom,
rarely any one thing. Furthermore, I don't see anybody putting their
life savings on their mental speculations. It's all good fun.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Jun 30, 2016 - 11:08pm PT
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I ... always wondered [where the fu-ck] were those guys really flying to? Where was the original drop point for that plane ...? Late to the party, but did this first reply ever get answered?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Well, I thought our work was done here, but I'm game. It really is, in the words of El Cheapo, "inexpensive entertainment".
You'll notice in the partial boat load of the Coronado Company there is what we used to call "a big honkin' bunch of weed".
1 - by land
2 - by sea
null - by air
Concerning "failsafes" (good name for a movie, huh), let me break it down for ya. There has never been reported (but you know lyin' politicians & beaurcrats & militarists) breakdown in the nuclear missile launch system.
However, on a small budget from proceeds of several tons of weed, I spose this type of system could not be afforded.
Ric, who was their accounting firm?
Keep on pluggin' away, but try to reach a wider public audience with some of the extraneous stuff. I believe the dare I say captive, audience is growing weary.
Addendum:
Sorry we all (except sidmo & Walleye that is) missed the 11 year reunion on May 21. (2005)
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zBrown
Ice climber
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OK ric, as a make-up for missing the ceremony, here's your tie in (last time I checked Tahoe was right up there in the vicinity of Reno).
"Shot a man in Reno just to watch him die?"
In 1976, Lou [nominal head of the Coronado Company] had bought a place in Tahoe
Tahoe became a refuge for the Company
Sometimes they’d invite their investors to the lake, guys Lou brought in to spread the risk. Lou was good at intuiting potential partners. Some of them were already trade insiders, but others were straight: bond brokers and lawyers and other pedigreed people who couldn’t resist the 2- or sometimes 3-to-1 return Lou was offering. The Company had its own accountant, buying properties on its behalf, creating shell companies with names like Mo Ching Trading Co., Tow Tow Ltd., and Ku Won Investment Co., Ltd.
Was the CC "crushing" the competition?
↓ ↓ Hope you didn't shoot him in the foot.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Jody....good sighting....
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Steve in Tahoe
Mountain climber
Lake Tahoe, NV
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zBrown - where'd that quote come from?
regards,
steve
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Say Steve. I knew some of the Coronado Company and "knew of" more, having grown up right across the bay.
I've got a lot of stuff so I'll have track it down. Bear with me.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, jody... wow, neat share, about your visit, and the other info, as to vern clevenger and family...
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Steve
RE: Coronado Boyz
Coronado High, by Joshuah Bearman, is Issue No. 27 of The Atavist
The author is the one from whom the story was "purchased" by Clooney. I guess the members of the Company lost their rights when they were convicted. :)
Bearman, BTW, also wrote Argo.
I have a 57 page Word document.
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ValleySpectator
climber
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Hello my name is Eric and I just spent the last 2 days reading through this after watching Valley Uprising. Great doc. You guys and gals are bad ass. The story of the plane crash was very intriguing to me. I grew up in San Jose and have spent some time in Yosemite and can''t remember ever hearing about this event, but heard plenty about DB Cooper.
I think that it's incredible that something like this allowed a fair amount of people to have a great time and allowed others to have future success using their earnings, but as I read some shitty stuff went down also. I agree with a few others that feel that those stories and the way they had an impact on those involved should be a book. It's an incredible part of our State's history and also a huge black eye for the Feds and who doesn't want to read a story about the "underdogs" making the powers that be look bad. Great f*#king story.
Having said all that it doesn't sound like that's what the OP's book is about and I'd like to take a crack at guessing it's primary focus. It sounds to me like the pilot was a complete bad ass Vietnam Vet who could fly the sh#t out of anything and when he got back he figured he'd take the best job he could find (doesn't sound like vets got treated very well when they got home), which in this case happened to be drug smuggling.
I don't know a whole lot about the topic and after a few google searches I couldn't find much about the history regarding aviation, but from what I read it looked like things didn't get going until the mid 70's. I also read that Pablo started around 75. I could be wrong, but it also appeared that the DEA didn't start doing air patrols until 75, but this guy who the OP is writing about began in the early 70's, so could he be the one that pioneered trafficking using aircraft and is it possible that's what the books about?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Interesting hypothesis. Small loads were carried in aircraft dating to the middle and late sixties.
It very well could be that these guys pioneered the (unwise) use of large aircraft in the continental United States.
It also could very well be that they pioneered and ended the practice.
There was a light plane crash over the 805 freeway (precise date undetermined) and all the kids in the neighborhood were scampering around picking of free weed. No gas smell, no ice choppping required.
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ValleySpectator
climber
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I have an unrelated question that I hope someone can help me with. I'm sorry to go off topic, but it seems like there are many in this thread that may be able to answer this.
Several years ago I took a day trip to Yosemite with my dad. There was a lot of water in the park that year. In fact I've never seen it it like that before. The rivers were raging. I want to say it was between 2010 - 2012.
On the way home we took 140 and I spotted what appeared to be a store and some other structures across the river. One of the things that stood out was a Volkswagen Squareback or it could have been a Notchback sitting there waiting for a rescue. It looked like a great place to wander around and possibly a cool photo spot if you could get across the river.
In 2014 (if not it was 2013) I took a drive up 140 to check this spot out and to see if I could get across the river (not much rain that year and things were pretty dry), but the structures and the car were gone. Is anyone familiar with this spot and could they shed some light on it? I did some googling and looked at gmaps and could only find info about an old hotel. Thanks in advance.
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ValleySpectator
climber
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Another question, this one is related to the topic.
I'm trying to get a better understanding of how some of the bales were contaminated with fuel and others weren't. It sounds like most of this stuff was on the surface floating around with the fuel. Did the fuel partially soak into the bales or was the fuel only concentrated in one area and clean bales were pulled from another area?
I've also read about people buying diving gear, but the article that was recently posted stated that the water was too murky and there was no visibility when the authorities made their attempt. Did the water clear between the time the authorities and the second set of divers went in? Did the initial group of beneficiaries dive down and pull & stash clean bales from the fuselage as well as other trinkets? If the water was still murky how did they avoid what sounds like was a rats nest of wire and scraps of aluminum waiting to slice you open?
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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I find it strange that you are promoting this article. Are you still going to write the book? If so, do you have a timeframe?
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WBraun
climber
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He's writing the book.
When he's finished and it's published then you'll see.
Until then Americans must wait.
Americans can't wait anymore and lost their culture and patience for quality.
All Americans want now a daze is instant gratification.
Thus Americans have become,
STUPID .....
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