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trailridge127
Trad climber
Loveland, CO
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Jan 31, 2016 - 06:00pm PT
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Honestly, I like him. Still plenty of time for me to change my mind. If I voted today it would be for Trump
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jan 31, 2016 - 06:04pm PT
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trailridge127: Yeah - what's not to love about a misogynistic racist bully and 4 time bankrupt bully?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 31, 2016 - 06:38pm PT
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Stew, why so much interest in an election that's not yours?
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trailridge127
Trad climber
Loveland, CO
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Jan 31, 2016 - 06:44pm PT
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Definitely outspoken, but misogynist? The only events I know about are the Rosie O'Donnell fiasco and the Megan Kelly debate? It would be interesting see how many women he employees and of those women, how many are high profile/salary jobs.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Jan 31, 2016 - 06:48pm PT
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Stew, why so much interest in an election that's not yours?
Dick knows American's will be fleeing north if Trump wins.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jan 31, 2016 - 07:01pm PT
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rick sumner: With respect, whether you like it or not, U.S. politics affects the entire world big time, and when you guys elect crooks and lunatics to the Oval Office, innocent people in other countries end up dead. Have you got the faintest idea how much the U.S. has fukked up pretty well the entire Middle East through the years?
For starters, when dubya Bush and his cabinet of crooks and murderers illegally destroyed the entire nation of Iraq, they sowed the seeds that grew into Daesh (aka ISIS).
That's why and, by the way, Daesh will be dancing in the streets if that scumbag Trump gets elected.
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Trailridge: Outspoken? Are you joking? outspoken? Trump is a raving lunatic. Ridiculing women who challenge his views by claiming that their periods are affecting their judgement is fairly considered to be a bullying and misogynistic comment.
Threatening to build a fence across the southern border of the U.S. to keep Mexicans out PLUS sticking them with the tab isn't just racist, but it could be fairly considered to be an act of war.
Can't you understand that the entire planet thinks that he's an aszhole - unless you count the mutual love affair between him and that other world-class bully by the name of Putin.
crankster: and regardless how much we would want to welcome your countrymen with such good taste in politics, it would be a tragic loss to your nation to lose so many of its best and brightest.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 31, 2016 - 07:03pm PT
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Definitely outspoken, but misogynist? The only events I know about are the Rosie O'Donnell fiasco and the Megan Kelly debate? It would be interesting see how many women he employees and of those women, how many are high profile/salary jobs
L---?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 31, 2016 - 07:23pm PT
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Oh, so your not the zenophobe crankcase describes, eh Stew?
As far as America fuking up the rest of the world,it's not a party thing. Look at LBJ and Vietnam Nam, look at Carter and his helping hand in the destruction of an orderly, internationally accepted Iran. Yes Bush, Clinton and then shrub royally fuked up Iraq which stood as the effective counterweight to the Ayatollah's that Jimmie created.
Don't be so disengenuous Stewie. Anybody can see through the b.s. you spew to the rotten core of your ideology.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jan 31, 2016 - 08:18pm PT
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rick sumner: It's spelled "xenophobe", and I don't have an ideology - I just don't like aszholes, particularly those who seek the leadership of world powers who abuse their own ideological agendas to kill people and line their own pockets.
If you knew squat about history, you'd have the ability to realize that the U.S. was directly responsible for screwing up Iran. It started when they installed the Shah as dictator, and he was every bit as brutal as the monsters who are currently running the place - there was a difference, though - when he wasn't busy murdering thousands of his own people, he was quite happy to steal everything of value that wasn't nailed down in the place, and use the leftovers to continue buying the support of the U.S. to keep him in power.
Perfectly justifiably, the Iranians rose in revolt against him, and he was deposed. Then, BIG mistake, the anti-Shah forces ceded power to the twisted, evil Ayatolla Khomeni. It was the last mistake most of them made, because they had no idea that they were trusting their destinies to a murderous religious fanatic. Thousands of these patriots were murdered at the hands of the religious police.
And now you have today's Iran, courtesy of the U.S.
Time for you to drop your own ideological blinders and go try to find some factual information.
The only dogma I believe in is the truth. You should try seeking it some time.
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Jorroh
climber
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Jan 31, 2016 - 09:08pm PT
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Yeah, Ricks an utter moron ...but in fairness
"If you knew squat about history, you'd have the ability to realize that the U.S. was directly responsible for screwing up Iran."
...don't forget the UK ...the CIA didn't go it alone on that one ... in fact I think the oil assets that Mosaddegh was going to nationalize were primarily British.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 31, 2016 - 10:07pm PT
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Jorrah the CIA didn't even exist when the middle east was partitioned into bastardized nationalities after world War 1. Later, after the decline of the British Empire the u.s. inherited this mess and managed it under strongman leadership the best it could till that idiot bleeding heart Carter began an implosion that is continuing to this day. That shrub made the one of the most monumental errors of the 20th century with his destruction of Iraq is not in dispute. That dirty tricks and clandestine operations were employed is not in dispute. That the entire region devolves into tribal warfare of local and exported form without strong leadership should also not be in duspute. The region knew relatively long periods of stability and peace under the Ottoman Empire, though that can't be allowed to reform under the more radical, expansionist regimes seeking dominance now
Stewie knows nothing but the festering hatred of an ideology he doesn't even understand. For that matter, he probably doesn't even know why he hates so bitterly.
You might look inward, Stew, instead of attaching blame outward.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Rick, we indeed helped f*#k up Iraq and Iran. The British and the French do deserve a big part of the blame, too boot.
As for Trump, he does want to bang his daughter.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Anyone who thinks the Middle East is messed up because of one political party from one nation clearly parses history for their own partisan mindset.
There is plenty of blame to go around, both before and after Bush's unfortunate war (which was bi-partisan anyhow).
None of this finger pointing address's a part of the world in which all human migration has passed through over the eons, the tribalism inherent in human nature, or the primitive medieval religious views of most of it's inhabitants.
I understand that the Ottoman empire and Muslim civilization of hundreds of years ago were more advanced than Europe.
How many Nobel prizes in the sciences have been awarded to those from that part of the world lately? This is not about intelligence, but about priorities of those cultures.
We should butt out and let Allah sort it out. WTF...that's what we did with the genocide in Rwanda.
I know it didn't make us proud, but we don't have the political capital to fix the rest of the world for the rest of this generation.
As for Trump, I wouldn't mind banging his daughter ;-)
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Anyone who thinks the Middle East is messed up because of one political party from one nation clearly parses history for their own partisan mindset.
There is plenty of blame to go around, both before and after Bush's unfortunate war (which was bi-partisan anyhow).
The problems in the ME go beyond Bush, but he made it worse. The Bush administration cooked the books and beat the war drum. Sure, some Dems went along and shame on them, but it was Bush's (or rather Cheney and Rumsfeld) war. If 5 supreme court justices had voted for Gore over Bush, the US would not have invaded Iraq. (Afghanistan, yes, Iraq, no).
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Sorry, Trump already called dibs on his daughter Ivanka.
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the US would not have invaded Iraq. (Afghanistan, yes, Iraq, no).
G.H.W. Bush and Cheney (as Sec. of Defense)were the ones to put the American military into Saudia Arabia in 1990, which was the primary grievance Osama bin Laden said he had against the United States.
If Gore had been properly declared the winner, OBL and Al Qaeada might not have attacked. If Gore had drawn down the forces in the Middle East, that would have further placated the jihadists.
With Cheney and another Bush in the White House, an attack was inevitable.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Rick knows nothing but the festering hatred of an ideology he doesn't even understand. For that matter, he probably doesn't even know why he hates so bitterly.
You might look inward, rick, instead of attaching blame outward.
and by the way, your pretty much dead wrong on almost everything you post
like an opposite droid, hear a lie and think it's the truth
hear the truth and think it's a lie
if you knew what the actual truth was, you would be agreeing with Stewart
He is correct about everything her posts, and it has nothing to do with hate, or blame.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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You're a humorous guy Craig, but you need another hobby to add to your gardening so this political b.s. isn't consuming your shortening time on Earth. And by the way, get your self and kids out of that shet hole of LA. It will improve your mood and change perspective.
What's your calls in Iowa. Considering the good weather and the huge investments on time and money I think it favors The Donald and Bernie. What say you?
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