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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 16, 2012 - 02:37pm PT
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NWO,
You are correct ;-) I have several books on the Freemasons and the lower levels/degrees are purposefully kept in the dark as to the truth of what Freemasonry is all about.
Freemasonry is Luciferian and this is without a doubt. I can provide links to great articles and book titles exposing this later.
Pure insanity
New World Order
Maybe what Christians worship now and Satan are the same too.
Aren't Freemason's Christians
Dr.F,
The NWO is very real. They are very much in our face about it all now. The NWO is the 21st century "Tower of Babble 2.0" all over again. And like the first Tower of Babble, GOD will bring it down and destroy it. It's already foretold. Read your Bible.
Same warning. Don't call Good evil, and evil Good.
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By the way, it is known that Madonna is into Kabbalism and they are into gnosticism. There is a direct connection to what she is certainly portraying in that half-time show. It's no coincidence. They are very much into deep and meaningful symbolism.
On a related note . . .
In the movie District 9 (all about aliens!!), the military are wearing white battle armor with a logo of a goat-head within a pentagram on their battle armor centered over their chests. It's almost as if they are saying, We are the Army of Lucifer.
The symbolism is everywhere if you look for it.
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monolith
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albany,ca
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Apr 16, 2012 - 02:58pm PT
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The symbolism is everywhere if you imagine it.
Fixed that for you Klimmer.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 16, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
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I wish that I was not expected to respect other people's opinions.
Privately I often do not, but have to pretend to be understanding and tolerant.
Such is my lot.
Little critters indeed.
Not to mention angels and devils.
And why not fairies and leprechauns.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Apr 16, 2012 - 03:41pm PT
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Klimmer: Let this sink in.
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new world order-
climber
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Apr 16, 2012 - 04:56pm PT
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Why would you name yourself the very thing you are afraid is Taking Over and you are trying to expose?????
Good doctor, you answered your own question. I named myself that, in order to expose it.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 16, 2012 - 05:24pm PT
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Discussing global socio-economic conspiracies is one thing.
Dicussing ufos, sasquatch, and ghosts is another thing.
Discussing religion is yet another thing.
To be blunt, taking any one of them seriously is fairly childish from my perspective. It lacks an even vaguely nuanced world view and a paucity of common sense. Honestly believing them conflating in any way at all? A sure sign of a weak, bored, desperate, delusional, or otherwise generally unwell state of mind, unless of course this is in the context of some sort of 'hobby' such as one finds at ComicCon.
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian
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Apr 16, 2012 - 05:27pm PT
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So why for years now have you been incessantly compelled to respond and take part in such discussions.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 16, 2012 - 05:38pm PT
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glenn. your brand of divisiveness has been the thrust of jewish and christian thinking from the outset, a whisper in the ear that you are chosen over all the rest of the human race, an offer to be on the inside track and leave the others behind. open your eyes to that.
Tony,
There is one way to tell if a prophet (read the Bible to know what they said) or that the Son of GOD is real and that they're telling the truth (read the Bible to know what Jesus Christ said). Wait to see if what they/he said will happen, happens. It either does or it doesn't. Then you'll know.
Out of all the religious faiths in the World, and there are many. Doesn't it seem that there has been a deliberate and purposeful mass confusion caused with the plurality of all faiths and religions? There has been. And its working to confuse the World. Only one is telling the complete truth. It is always good to mix-in a little truth, to bring them in, but not too much truth. You don't want the people of the World waking-up and getting it, if your whole intent is to delude them. Who doesn't want us to know the truth, and who lies? "The Father of Lies" as The Good Book calls him. Lucifer. By the way, he knows the word of GOD and he twists it around and he will use it out of context to confuse the masses. He even did this with Jesus, on Jesus's 40 day journey through the wilderness.
I'm no better or chosen over anyone else. Everyone is called. However, few accept or take the invitation. But the invitation goes out to everyone. All are invited.
There is no money to pay. In fact, if it ever took money to receive GOD's grace, no one could afford the unbelievable and incredible price. We would never be able to afford it, ever. So Grace is freely given by GOD. No one can earn it so that we can't brag or boast. All we have to do is accept his free gift of grace.
Hey, I haven't hid this knowledge. I give it out freely just as it is was given to me. Freely. From one person to another. One believer to one unbeliever. And one believer to another believer.
This is no secret club to belong too. All is done in the complete light of day. Nothing to hide. There are no secret handshakes to learn, or membership fees to pay, or secret oaths to take. There are no secret agendas. All are invited and the the price is free. You just have to accept the invitation and come and follow Jesus. It's as simple as that.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 16, 2012 - 06:07pm PT
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Apr 16, 2012 - 01:39pm PT
Klimmer
I hate the New World Order.
But have little fear that it is as bad as you conspiracy nuts think it is.
Dr. F,
Have you read the Book of Revelation word for word and contemplating all that it says? The NWO is wickedly evil and it will get really, really bad. The World is Lucifer's abode. The NWO is his last days government and part of his plan. Just wait until Lucifer is permanently cast to Earth and locked out of Heaven, and he then declares War on mankind. That will be the time of "The Wrath of Lucifer." We aren't there yet. It will get worse, much worse.
"Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has but a short time.” Revelation 12
I'm not looking forward to that time. Like I said before, I wish we could just hit the FF button and get to the 1000 years of peace, The Millennium. But its not a matter of my will, but of GOD's will. He has a plan, and it will bring many, many more people to GOD, through his gift of salvation through Jesus Christ as a result.
I guess sometimes rebellious and stubborn mankind has to get really "spanked" hard to wake the heck up.
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"Spanked" is a metaphor guys.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Apr 16, 2012 - 06:33pm PT
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Don't forget to double spank the wayward women.
Really, it was a metaphor? Who would have guessed. We thought you liked to spank guys Klimmer. LOL!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 16, 2012 - 06:43pm PT
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yes!
I think somewhere in the Bible spanking is ok
After all, beating your children with a "rod" so they don't get "spoiled" is ok
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 16, 2012 - 09:54pm PT
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So why for years now have you been incessantly compelled to respond and take part in such discussions.
Because I think to allow this sort of lack of judgment and common sense to go unchallenged is as dangerous for our country and the world in general as fundamentalist terrorism.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 16, 2012 - 11:45pm PT
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Apr 16, 2012 - 05:14pm PT
Dr. F,
Have you read the Book of Revelation word for word and contemplating all that it says?
Yes, and it is not factual in any possible way
It's complete Mythology, and has nothing to do with the present.
Anyone can make up predictions that will come true.
To base all your beliefs on the bible just because a couple sections can be interpreted as predictions that came true for you: is Pure cultism.
Just one example . . . The Book of Revelation in The Bible was nearly 2000 years ahead of our understanding of the science of asteroid impacts. It predicts massive impacts will happen to Earth in our future . . .
Rev.1:1-2 (KJV)
[1] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
[2] Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Revelation 8:6-13 (KJV)
[6] And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
[7] The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
[8] And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
[9] And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
[10] And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
[11] And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
[12] And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
[13] And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
Dr. F,
Oh ye of little faith.
How long has mankind really been aware of the possibility of Comet, Asteroid, and Meteor impacts to planet Earth? About 50 years only. The true science didn't really get going until about 1961 with the help of Dr. Eugene Shoemaker, and the establishment of the science of Astrogeology:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Merle_Shoemaker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_geology
Then we had the discovery of the Iridium in the layer of the clay marking the K-T boundary and the discovery of Chicxulub Crater on the coast of the Yucatan Peninsula, in the late 1970s and the 2 blow demise of the dinosaurs 65MYA (massive impact and upsurge in volcanism).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater
Then it wasn't until 1994 that we witnessed a massive comet break-up and then we watched all the pieces slam into Jupiter. The Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9. We finally woke-up to the real threat to our planet by Comets, Asteroids, and meteor impacts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Shoemaker%E2%80%93Levy_9
Now we know, and now we look for NEOs and NEAs in space that threaten planet Earth.
"Project Wormwood" one of many now around the world:
http://www.ips.gov.au/IPSHosted/neo/
http://deepimpact.umd.edu/science/index.html
In the really very good VHS/DVD "NGS: Asteroids Deadly Impact" with Dr. Eugene Shoemaker he describes the Chicxulub asteroid impact as a 6 mile in diameter mountain coming out of the sky. At the end of the program they say regarding extinction level impacts, "it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when."
The Bible sees the past clearly and sees the Future clearly. GOD is not bounded by time. The Bible is the word of GOD. It is timeless. Men inspired by GOD wrote down the words of GOD as they were inspired and were instructed to do so. You should listen.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Apr 17, 2012 - 09:57am PT
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you're more lovable--and bigger--than i am, craig, but i'll come if glenn comes. i have a feeling jesus would want him to. jesus may even require it. "ministry," if you know what i mean. i'll need a ride from l.a., however.
holy cow, 4 feet of fresh snow in baldy bowl yesterday--on zero base.
i just finished vallee's 2007 novel, stratagem. he isn't as smooth a fiction writer as sagan, but i suspect sagan had a small horde of ghosts to help. vallee, poor fellow, had to self-publish it.
the important thing to notice about "the phenomenon" is its relationship with the human race. glenn's point of view is not ridiculous. the phenomenon challenges "reality", which is a fragile thing to begin with. if you're a new ager, all the aliens are flower goddesses out to help us with our spiritual growth. if you're a sour old academic, like david jacobs, you've gotten a foretaste of human doom. if you're buying the grapes of wrath, you wind up thinking like glenn here.
the crux of the issue is ETH versus EDH, and just how are the governments of the world involved? in case you haven't noticed, the government of belgium publicly concedes the legitimacy of the 1990s phenomena. it's a small country and too many people witnessed it all. you'll find a similar situation, at the state level, in arizona, where the governor himself witnessed the big show. what would it take to issue a press release telling people that such-and-such involved military testing? spies know about it anyway. they want to keep us in the dark and make idiots of ourselves in forums like this one.
that's one part of the formula you're ignoring, glenn. your god isn't playing as fair as he did in the past, when he only allowed the devil to tempt us to sin. now he lets the devil run the world.
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian
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Apr 17, 2012 - 10:13am PT
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Because I think to allow this sort of lack of judgment and common sense to go unchallenged is as dangerous for our country and the world in general as fundamentalist terrorism.
Healyje your above statement proves You are more delusional than those you seek to debunk. Homeland security needs more fools like you
And if you are ex military like you claim well that's a really f*#king scary insight into the level of stupidity which exists in a group of people whom I previously had respect for till your previous post.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2012 - 11:42am PT
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Apr 17, 2012 - 07:13am PT
"Because I think to allow this sort of lack of judgment and common sense to go unchallenged is as dangerous for our country and the world in general as fundamentalist terrorism." -- HJ
"Healyje your above statement proves You are more delusional than those you seek to debunk. Homeland security needs more fools like you
And if you are ex military like you claim well that's a really f*#king scary insight into the level of stupidity which exists in a group of people whom I previously had respect for till your previous post."
-- bmacd
bmacd,
I concur with what you say. "HJ" and "Lost" both have very scary threatening knee-jerk reactions to civil discussions, as well as arguements, and people just wanting to know the truth.
HJ, while you're holding your gun barrel in front of my face, I will put a flower with stem in the barrel. It's all I can do. That, and pray for you.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Apr 17, 2012 - 11:50am PT
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Hey Klimmer, aren't you ex military as well? LOL!
Thanks to JH for his service in Vietnam and his outstanding contributions here.
Not surprising that bmacd(bigfoot hunter) and you(ark on the moon) feel threatened by him. Most loonballs would.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Apr 17, 2012 - 12:07pm PT
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a good example of how faith in jesus and faith in government will lead you astray here can be found in the piney woods, texas, ufo incident of december, 1980. are you familiar with this, glenn? you should be.
three innocent american civilians, driving down a country road at night. the mofo gets in their face. there are helicopters around it. they come away with radiation burns and sickness. one was so devout she thought it was the end of the world, and she expected to see jesus come out of the diamond-shaped light, so she made the mistake of staring at it.
it was probably a nuclear-based experimental technology with something going wrong with it. it became apparent that the government was involved, but the government wouldn't admit it or accept any responsibility. one of the victims, betty cash, sued. give her credit for spirit and spunk, glenn. that's what life is about. she was never well again, and died several years later.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2012 - 12:58pm PT
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Apr 17, 2012 - 08:50am PT
Hey Klimmer, aren't you ex military as well? LOL!
Thanks to JH for his service in Vietnam and his outstanding contributions here.
Not surprising that bmacd(bigfoot hunter) and you(ark on the moon) feel threatened by him. Most loonballs would.
Mono,
Yes, I am a peacetime veteran. Proud of my service. 2 years US Army Honor Guard, Sp4, 11-Bravo. Among the many duties we did, I was also on a casket carrying team. We buried many soldiers post Vietnam in Arlington National Cemetery. The outfall of the war continued for a long time. Still does.
We have a right to protect ourselves with a strong military, and to protect our way of life, and to protect the US Constitution which includes our Bill of Rights. In fact, we take an oath to do so. We don't have a right to preemptively make war or create rumors of war.
Now we are witnessing the shredding of our Constitution and Bill of Rights, from within. This isn't right. Would you agree?
Now we are witnessing what seems to be a sinister force within our nation which is turning our very own US government, and civilian police forces, against the citizens of the United States, even legislation that permits the US Armed Forces to go against the US citizens. Something is seriously, seriously wrong.
I do not advocate violence. I'm a Christian. That is 100% diametrically opposed to Christ's message. Like I said I will put flowers in gun barrels. I won't pick-up a gun. But I'm not going to shut my mouth either. I will speak truth to power. We all should. It's not right what they are doing. Everything this nation stands for, is now being blown away in the wind.
America-A-Government-Out-of-Control
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1794898/America-A-Government-Out-of-Control
Torture: Mainstream and legal in America
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1799626&msg=1799626#msg1799626
By the way, I'm a Veterans for Peace, Amnesty International, ACLU, and a Sierra Club member also.
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