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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jan 12, 2011 - 06:05pm PT
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If only you all would realize how little I give a sh#t.
So why are you here day in and day out posting away?
You follow up a biblical quote referencing Obama with a call to lynching with no reference that it's a quote, and that when googled only pulls up this thread. The other quote from Baldwin seems to say it was from a comedy bit.
But feel free to trash liberals like Baldwin all you want. There are plenty of kooky left wingers that are out there. But as a moderate independent I see the vitriol and lies coming from the right as FAR, FAR worse than what comes from the left. Of course you'll never see or admit to it. Because YOU are part of the problem.
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jan 12, 2011 - 06:21pm PT
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Whenever I have discussions with friends/family etc. that are liberal they never accuse me of being a conservative. They never claim I am brainwashed by the media or education system. It usually ends up that we just agree to disagree. And we often learn from each other's perspective
Yet when I have discussions with friends/family etc that are conservative they assume I am a liberal. As if to say if you aren't conservative you MUST be liberal. They think I have been brainwashed by the education system or the "liberal" media. They claim I want to support freeloaders, raise taxes, etc.
Why is that? Why is there such a huge industry of right wing media that makes money of exploiting these peoples fears and predjudices? How can they ignore reality and think everyone else who thinks differently from them must be a FAR left socialist?
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jan 12, 2011 - 06:37pm PT
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jan 12, 2011 - 06:47pm PT
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jan 12, 2011 - 07:39pm PT
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You are a liberal. And you don't even realize it. Awesome, skippy just proves my point. thanks!
I grew up in a right of center household, thinking I was a republican.
After learning more and forming my own opionions I thought I was a liberal. Mostly because I was so repulsed by the right, and ended up voting democratic more often than republican becuase they seemed more reasonable more often. Good republicans are few and far between and nowadays are derided as RINOs.
About 10 years ago I started re-examining things, and took some of those Internet quizzes, and low and behold I found out I was a centrist. It all made sense. I see thru the BS on both sides. I know the pragmatic solutions are usually the moderate ones. I reject the morons on the extremes.
But as I said I end up aligning with the dems/libs more often because the right and republicans are MORE extreme, most dishonest, and FAR more often they claim to know what others think or they tell you someone ELSE'S motivations. It's so easy to see thru the bullsh#t. Fear, selfishness, lies, projection, strawman arguments. I have respect for Fatty, John, and a lot of conservatives I know, but I don't know how they can call themselves conservatives when SO many conservatives are just raging as#@&%es.
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jstan
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Jan 12, 2011 - 07:45pm PT
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http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=649636&msg=1374933#msg1374933
Jan 10, 2011 - 02:48pm PT
Probably more significant is Jintao's willingness to meet with Gates following talks by the two defense secretaries.
There may be military relevance to China's stealth capability. I am no judge. That a prototype was built sooner than our intelligence estimates indicated, is significant. But note. Any test data we have on actual performance specifications for this platform are limited and probably obtained from satellite. (That anyone would court this much public exposure for a plane that has yet to fly, is not credible.)
Most significant of all is the fact stealth has pushed China's progress in rocket development off the front page.
I think if you once realize China loses were it to destroy its biggest customer and possibly the whole planet, you have to see all of this as choreography. Probably choreography managed by the Chinese military establishment, planing to use our new Congress as a foil.
I finger the military because in any ensuing arms race between the two nations the dollar will suffer. The military is not that concerned with decline in value of China's holdings denominated in dollars. Indeed, such would be considered a victory ten times larger than what could be gained in any military engagement.
We are now ready to be Reaganized.
Added 1/12
As China continues to assume a truly global trade position not so dependent upon the US, builds modern infrastructure, and provides jobs to its people two things happen.
Relatively speaking China’s one trillion investment in dollars becomes smaller and more expendable and the civilian leadership will have more trouble dissuading its military industrial complex from undertaking a military competition.
I would say it is probably an even bet that China will do to the US what we are told the US did to Russia.
If so, our security took a serious hit the day we decided we did not have to pay for our wars.
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jan 12, 2011 - 07:53pm PT
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Dr. F, I'll post about that another day when I have some time.
But I see a big difference right there. Dr. F is actually open to seeing things from a different perspective.
Well one thing that worries me about the liberal agenda is they want to make everyone gay! Right? ;-)
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jan 12, 2011 - 07:58pm PT
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Face the reality, Israel will never turn over an inch of Jerusalem, radical Islam will go to war and Obama will be finished in 2012.
Considering DaftRat's abysmal record of prognostication I suddenly feel much more hopeful about the future.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jan 12, 2011 - 08:09pm PT
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Well the Conservative Republican agenda seems to have turned many of them into toe tapping toilet trollops.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jan 12, 2011 - 08:57pm PT
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Skip wrote: AC is an abusive stalker.
Stalker, through and through.
Skip
Coming from the biggest leghumper on this site.
I laugh at you.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jan 12, 2011 - 08:59pm PT
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You guys remember Bud Dwyer?
That sh#t is on youtube.
But you can't see tits.
America has some problems.
carry on.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jan 12, 2011 - 09:06pm PT
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“This is about the people, and it’s bigger than any one king or queen of a Tea Party, and it’s a lot bigger than any charismatic guy with a teleprompter.”
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jan 12, 2011 - 09:49pm PT
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BTW, I'm not in favor of assualt weapons with more than 10rounds, no one except military or LEO has any need for it."
but what about if there are mexicans nearby?
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Jan 12, 2011 - 10:21pm PT
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Sara Paulin is such a tragic defect...
It only takes a small amount of time before she sticks her dumbsass out for ridicule again.
Shame, or at the very least, poor choice of words from an uniformed member of the American tailor-park.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/01/12/132861457/sarah-palins-blood-libel-use-stirs-new-controversy
"Perhaps the surest thing to say about the reaction to Sarah Palin's video response to charges that her edgy political rhetoric contributed to an atmosphere that made the Tucson shooting more likely is that the reaction to it will be about as polarized as to anything else the former Alaska governor says or does. Her supporters will defend it, her detractors lambaste it.
One of its more interesting aspects is her use of the term "blood libel" in this passage:
If you don’t like a person’s vision for the country, you’re free to debate that vision. If you don’t like their ideas, you’re free to propose better ideas. But, especially within hours of a tragedy unfolding, journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn. That is reprehensible.
Needless to say, she probably couldn't have chosen a more explosive term than blood libel. That term has been used to describe false and beyond-the-pale charges throughout history that Jews committed unspeakable crimes.
The charges were used to justify atrocities against Jews over centuries.
Obviously, some people who happen to be Jewish are expressing their dismay that she would go there."
What a tard!
It's strange that none of these self proclaimed "Good Americans" who spew this hateful rhetoric will actually own up to their stupidity when the fit hits the shan?
Why not own it?
Why not to the right thing for once and say yes, I did something wrong in my statements and may have insighted enough anger to get people all riled up enough to cause a shooting death or two.... I, Sarag Palsy did that.
Why not?
Because these self proclaimed Good Americans are a pathetic bunch of mouths who would never put their money where their mouths are.
As a democrat, independent, green party member, I'd be pointing out the facts.. that voting repuke will not get you hired, it will not make the air cleaner, nor the water fresher, nor the prices lower. Actually, quite the opposite.
A vote for the repuklicunt party is a vote against American prosperity.
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corniss chopper
climber
not my real name
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Jan 12, 2011 - 10:36pm PT
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"War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it.
The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over."
-General William Tecumseh Sherman
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corniss chopper
climber
not my real name
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Jan 12, 2011 - 10:59pm PT
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Dr F!
Earth to Dr F!
Everyone loves to see politicians stumble. A pleasant
reminder they are just like the rest of us (minus the personal jet)
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jan 12, 2011 - 11:44pm PT
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Rox-Mr. Potatoe Head......you working for the Idaho Chamber of Commerce?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 13, 2011 - 12:01am PT
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Since we have gone completely off political topic and posting water guns
and potato shooters, WHATEVER.
To give equal time to personal irrelevant trivia, including CACTUS,
May I present one of my own obsessions:
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